Creationism in schools

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A home schooled field trip of creationists to a museum to mis-represent facts.

This is child abuse if you ask me.

And soe wanted this teached in school?

 

Facts should NEVER trump BELIEFS!

God's word is the only belief you need since it is the only fact.

 

Religious dogma and it shouldn't be taught in schools. Only as a historic point of view, explaining craetionism->lamarckism->darwinism->neodarwinism.

 

Hmmmmm.... from being raised on Creationist text books, I can say with the utmost confidence that Creationism is not science, and should not be taught in a science class room.

 

for starters, we should probably teach so people know what it is they are disagreeing with in the first place. Creationism is the story of Genisis and Adam and Eve - Noah has nothing to do with it.

Second, we should also teach kids about the difference between fundamental, or literal truth, and something called a parable with an ... underlying truth.

We should also expose them to ideas like Mitochondrial Eve, etc. and allow them to interoret for themselves how much of the process is of God and how much is not.

As I have said many times, as indeed Darwin himself stated, evolution is not teh enemy of God. There is no danger in teaching evolution to religious people, and quite frankly, there is no danger in teaching Creationism to atheists.

You are going to be exposed to these ideas anyways, might as well get to know them accurately.

Creationism is nothing that should be used to force faith on atheists, but evolution is not something that should be brow beating religious people about to deny them their faith.

Two wrong don't make a right, but access to knowledge is the only way to seek truth.

Creationism should not be taught in a science classroom because it is not Science. I have no idea what the parable of original Sin has to do with DNA and species adaptation? Conversely I have no idea what DNA or cellular structure has to do with Sin.

Interestingly enough though, I find it very curious that evolution pops up in the religion section so often.

 

I'm not sure what creationism is. Is that where god created the universe, or was it where god created humans?

 

Both, based on the book of Genesis.

 

Thanks. Good to know.

 

It is essentially the same as hat appears in Creationist curriculum.

The inside content is not available on the website, however these are the text books I used.
http://www.abeka.com/Default.aspx

Discover magazine actually cited Abeka as one of the most prominent creationist texts used in the US. I cannot find the issue, however it was between 2007 - 08, "State of Science in America", the cover being a ringed planet drawn with a crayon.

 

It simply does not matter.

Do you really think that someone teaching Creationism is a threat to Evolution? Seriously?

You think that the entire science of biology, our entire medical establishment, which all flow and rest upon the basis of evolutionary principles are going to be swept aside because someone teaches Creationism is a religious church?

You have so little faith in the truth of Evolution that your fear the truth of Creationism?

You have so little faith in people that you cannot allow them the opportunity to explore both principles and make their own choice? So little faith in the powers of evidential reasoning that you need to ban or be worried about dissent?

Really?

And atheists like to tell us that we are the one motivated by fear?

 

I would agree it is detrimental to teach myth as fact in any academic setting, public or private. I do wish that we could do a better job of identifying what IS a myth and what IS a fact. Many folks on all sides get the two confused.

 

the confusion is on the side of those who think creationism is science.

 

Yes,its a vast atheist left wing conspiracy to destroy religion and apple pie.

How clueless can a person be? The reasons for denying mythology in the class room is obvious. Howevrre through arrogance and inability to listen, you conjure up a vast conspiracy designed to protect our fragile acceptance of evolution. Just stop. Read. Educate yourself.

 

Are they?

Spell them out then? Why is teaching Creationism, which is happening in churches and wll continue to happen, going to cause teh unravelling of the US and time and pace to ripe itself apart?

And once again, with the pee pee smacked, we get the whole super cape wearing victim routine.

If I am comfortable enough with evolution, to know that it is fact, then what exactly am I supposed to read and educate myself about? If I know that evolution, as stated by Darwin, was no threat to religion?

Well, unfortunately, so blinded by bigotry are today's atheists, that they are unable to grapple with reality itself, a reality in which Christians know and accept evolution.

I mean what would atheism be without a nice strawman to hate? Nothing apparently.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...volution-is-compatible-with-Christianity.html

You do realize there are many, many volumes about Christianity and science being fully compatible? Of course not, bt its good to see you telling other they should read and educate themselves.

 

ROFL . .your funny. Creationists believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible.

How do you think they come up with the idea that the earth was created around 3776 BC ?

Proving that the flood story did have happen disproves this literal interpretation of the world history since Adam and Eve as given the Bible.

 

Do you deliberately ignore the obvious?

 

Public school in America does not exist to teach our young citizens how to think, but rather what to think. In my view, this is the exact opposite of how learning should occur. As a firm believer in the Socratic Method, I think students should be presented with facts as they're known and left to draw their own conclusions, with the teacher serving as intellectual guide and moderator. The problem with this is, of course, that teachers must learn how to think and I'm afraid that might be a bit more than they're willing to give. That was not a slam on teachers, BTW, just kind of the way it is, IMHO--path of least resistance being what it is and all.

That said, teaching creationism as hard science is wrong--there is simply no evidence. But ignoring it is equally wrong. I think it can be taught in parallel with with science when the topic of the formation of the Universe and the origins of life are concerned and topics such as the theory of evolution, and the theory of the "big bang" and the theory of "creation" or "intelligent design" can be brought to the table and debated by the students Socratically.

The problem is which creation story do you teach? There are literally thousands of them ranging from Native American stories of the Buffalo Earth Mother to the Chinese traditions of Pan Gu, to the polynesian stories of volcano gods, to the widely-known mainstream stories of Adam and Eve, and a god named God creating the Universe in seven days. I think that is where the biggest challenge may lie. But certainly these myths are part of our cultural fabric and should not be ignored.

 

ignoring it in what context?

regardless it doesn't belong in a science class.

the theory of evolution, and the theory of the "big bang" are well established scientific theories for which there is supporting evidence. to try to present the theory of "creation" or "intelligent design" alongside these is an insult to science.

you may as well be teaching Chinese in your Spanish class.

actually - that would probably make more sense since both are languages

 

Creationism is not science. By any possible classification of either term.

I'd rather see critical thinking classes than comparative religious classes.

 

Creationism and intelligent design would make a good example of fallacies in a logic class.

 

I think it does belong in science class--that is, again, if we desire to teach our students HOW to think and not simply WHAT to think. Do the math...

 

I don't see what it is a bad thing at all... I have a daughter and she gets taught all kinds of crap I don't believe in while at school. But, in the end, she is my daughter and it is up to me to decide what is right and wrong for her to belive in...

It's like this - do people teach my daughter to drink alcohol at an early age? Fight? Do all kinds of things... It is up to the parent to sift through the crap and raise a child how they want. I can't put cotton in my daughters ears and hope all goes well - I need to be part of her childhood as I have done!

Those who try to manipulate schools are just lazy parents...

 

I don't think so... But, teaching my child that America was settled by Puritans and Quakers would be!!!

 

Wrong, its up to HER to decide what is right and wrong for her to believe in!

 

DBM slips up every so often. ....