Creationism

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  1. kmisho

    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    Do you have a source for that?
     
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    Could someone please tell me what the center of the universe has to do with anything ? I never did understand why that was important. I mean, what is this science vs. religious conflict ?
     
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    You are kidding of course?:bookdiva:
     
  4. NaturalBorn

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    FWIW there is not conflict between science and religion. Only the interpretation of the scientific findings and research.
     
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    You have not answered my question. Where is your evidence to support creationism?
     
  6. kmisho

    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    "khug" means circle. Get over it.

    Proverbs 8:27

    King James
    When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass [khug] upon the face of the depth

    NIV
    I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon [khug] on the face of the deep

    New King james
    When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He drew a circle [khug] on the face of the deep

    Khug does not mean spherical or sphericity or anything like it. It means a circle.

    I don't get to do this very often:
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  7. kmisho

    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    You're wrong. I even found the sources for the creationists you stole from, or who you stole from stole from, who themselves offer no source.

    http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2001/PSCF9-01Schneider.html

    "While the writers assert that the Hebrew khug--I shall use chûgh--of Isa. 40:22a means "sphericity," they provide no lexicological support."
     
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    Isaiah 40:22 RHE Douay-Rheims
    It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
     
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    More info about Isaiah 40:22: http://www.crivoice.org/circle.html Not even your fellow Christians are convinced. The verse is clearly talking about a circle, not a sphere. You hold the KJV in high regard as an accurate translation, so why don't you trust it here? Care to supply any other instance where this word is translated as "sphere"?

    Even if it did say that the earth is a sphere, so what? Other verses talk about the edges of the earth. Neat strategy. Make both claims and then say that you literally meant whichever one turns out to be right and the other was only allegorical.
     
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    It appears NB provides no evidence once again...Surprised? Not me. Mods can we close this thread. the creationist argument has been lost. They provide no evidence of anything except a story book.
     
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    Pedantic!!
     
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    It is not pedantic to ask for a source when you want to change the meaning of a word, especially when that single word is the crux of your entire argument.
     
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    Are you able to speak and read Ancient Hebrew?
     
  14. kmisho

    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    You can't. You just copy creationist claims and don't bother to check them.
     
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    Do you? If not then you are just trolling as usual. In other word, put up or shut up...
     
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    Without a doubt, Earth is round, or nearly so. Using careful measurements from the ground and observations from space we can be certain it is essentially a sphere, with only minor bulging near the equator. If reduced to the size of a billiard ball, it would be perfectly smooth, and we wouldn't even be able to feel the highest mountains or deepest oceans. The erosive action of rainfall, glaciers and wind couple with gravity to relocate material from higher elevations to lower ones, rounding the globe. We actually observe these familiar mechanisms at work in the present.
     
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    Twentieth-century geologists taught the familiar maxim: "The present is the key to the past."
    But now that catastrophic processes are widely employed to describe the strata record, twenty-first century geologists are wondering whether "marine flood sedimentation is the key to the past."
    Geological strata and their contained marine fossils provide critical evidence that the ocean once covered the continents, even the highest continental areas. Extremely widespread strata blankets argue for an intercontinental or global flood.
    The Sauk Sequence extends throughout North America and appears to extend into Europe. The Tippecanoe Sequence also covers much of North America and may well extend into Europe and Africa. There are also intercontinental redbed sequences, intercontinental tuff beds, and coal-bearing strata cycles.
    Granular, water-charged sediment flows result in very rapid stratification. Dilute flows produce thick sequences of plane beds, graded beds, and crossbeds by sustained unidirectional flow. Such flows also produce thick sequences of hummocky beds by sustained bidirectional flow.
    Concentrated sediment flows produce thick strata sequences by abrupt deposition from liquefied suspension or evenly bedded strata by flow transformation to a tractive current.
    These and many other obvious processes are leading many geologists to construct a global flood model for earth history.


    http://www.icr.org/geological-strata/
     
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    No, are you?
     
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    Do any of these "many geologists" have names?
     
  20. kmisho

    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    This is fine "religious" behavior. If your claims are utterly destroyed as if hit by a hydrogen bomb, just pretend nothing happened and stick with your utterly discredited claims. Religious people complain about being mocked by atheists. Well when they act like this they deserve nothing but mockery and derision.
     
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    good "heavens" no, I have no interest in attacking science!
     
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    you are correct. after many decades of mining and oil and gas exploration the nature of the geological record is understood.

    geological scientists long ago learned to look for oil and gas structures inside ancient sedimentary basins buried under thousands of feet of soil and rock. organic matter was deposited millions of years ago onto shallow sea beds, alluvial and riparian environments. this organic matter became locked into consoldidated sedimentary rock and thru pressure and heat became petroleum. however due to continental drift and the shifting of tectonic plates these straight-forward layered strutures became twisted, convoluted, and discontinous. this is why oil and gas can be found in radically different surface environments.
     
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    intra continental flooding has occured many times thru the billions of years of Earth's history. there are many factors involved in these floodings : warmer periods of reduced ice caps, continental folding and drift to name two.

    for example: the area of North America now known as Texas, has been covered and recovered several times with shallow seas and bays. that same area shows evidence of the rise and fall of several mountain ranges. this is why the Texas region has so many prolific oil and gas fields. run off from these mountain ranges have formed deltaic regions of sedimentary rock which became overtime petroleum producing zones.
     
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    Round earth theory is another unsubstantiated doctrine inculcated to our children by the religion of Evolution and atheist science with propaganda paid for by our tax money.

    I am surprised you have fallen for this scam?!
     
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    Oh! My sides are splitting!:laughing:
     

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