although I am still not sure how one tells that someone has pelvic floor damage when they have their clothes on...but maybe the Progressives, being so focused on their genitals can see more there too...
Claim (1) states that the initial cell of a new human being is a human being. Therfor any cell that an initial cell of a new human being is a human being. Either one of the daughter cells can be implanted in a new egg and then it is the initial cell in a new human being. By (1) each of the daughter cells is a human.
We are not talking about what may be accomplished by some artificial means, I am only concerned with what naturally occurs. If you want to fantasize about what may be done with an embryo in a lab, do t somewhere else.
I already have! I can't force you to read the thread, and I won't be drawn into wasting my time reposting over and over for the Johnny come latelys.
No fantasy Whaler, realilty. http://www.jci.org/articles/view/23549/files/pdf The the Authors of the above article from the "Journal of Clinical Investigation" , state that "Defining conception as the starting point of life relies upon assumptions of the value of potential" Not only the Authors but the peer review commitee for this Journal would have to have vetted the language. Clearly experts disagree with lifers. Your claims that a human exists at conception is only your personal belief because there is no consensus among experts.
No, you have not posted any evidence that anyone here on this forum has stated, "all mothers are wrecks." I have read through this entire thread and the ONLY person who ever stated that was you. http://www.politicalforum.com/4320835-post97.html http://www.politicalforum.com/4322302-post112.html You made the initial statement, "all mothers are wrecks." and now you wish to try and apply that statement to others around you. Why must you be so dishonest?
why must you be so personally attacking? If you read the entire thread, you would know that I am referring to the comments posted in other threads, AND you would have seen where I quoted posts from one of the posters specifically.. but you go on ahead being all superior and knowitall...I know what I have read and I know what I have posted. And YOUR post is a lie.
see? now I can't MAKE you read and comprehend but here Cady says "Pregnancy damages women's bodies in varying degrees" she doesnt' say "Pregnancy damages SOME women's bodies" no, so she is saying ALL mothers are damaged.
http://www.politicalforum.com/abort...mitting-abortion-homicide-16.html#post4046355 and here YOU yourself carry on about how horrible all pregnancies are, you don't qualify it, you pretty much think you've covered it all although one would wonder, not having ever experienced birth, how you could POSSIBLY tell me anything about it. I suppose you think a surgeon that READ about a brain surgery is as good as one with ten years experience...a pilot that played Nintendo is as good as a seasoned veteren...you would look to the kid down the street that played SuperMario Kart to tell you about racing..
That is not proof of this statement, "all mothers are wrecks." Only YOU said that. And you really have the gall to say I am the liar here? You are the only one here who thinks that all mothers are wrecks. Those are your words and your words alone.
sucks when someone agrees with your view, and clarifies it, isn't it? putting a bow on a pig doesn't turn it into a ballerina...and couching 'all mothers are wrecks' in little diatribes doesnt' change the meaning of your comments. you DID say it, Cady said it, Granny said it, Makedde said it...and there is nothing you can do to make it any different.
None of us said "all mothers are wrecks." Why won't you own up to your lie? All any of us have done here is give examples and tell the truth about what pregnancy can do to a woman's body. That does not automatically mean that we believe "all mothers are wrecks". The only reason it is brought up as much as it is is because lifers often behave like pregnancy is all cookies and rainbows and childbirth and labor are just little walks through the park. They are not. Do you not believe these things to be true? If you have evidence that pregnancy absolutely 100% never damages a woman's body please share it with us.
do YOU have evidence that pregnancy absolutely 100% ALWAYS damages a body? then please share it with us. Your side continuously trumpets the 'horrors' of pregnancy without conditioning it, your side never says "pregnancy may cause some damage to some women" so ya'll can call me a 'liar' all you want to; I have posted EVIDENCE, your own POSTS that show you DO say this crap so no matter how ya'll try to browbeat me, I am not scared, or worried, YOU are the ones busted and shown to be fanatics with an agenda to paint all mothers as damaged goods.
no, Cady, YOU are the ones busted or this thread wouldn't be bothering you enough to continously come complain about it. Like I told your buddy, I have posted your OWN comments that prove what I accuse you of doing. So no matter how you kick your feet, YOU are the ones busted. Period! you have yourself a nice day!
and IF in fact the quotes I have posted from you are incorrect or altered, contact a mod and have them removed. Otherwise, my dears, stop calling me a liar.
One does not need to show that pregnancy has undesirable effects 100% of the time in order to claim that pregnancy can alter the physical appearance of a womans body. Not all women have stretch marks .. but many do. If a woman does not want to go through pregnancy because there is a chance that she may be altered in some way, that is her choice.
No one is describing the damage from pregnancy/childbirth as "horrors." That is just your melodrama kicking in yet again. While the damage to women's bodies from pregnancy/childbirth varies, all have some damage however slight. Most have significant damage that will result in surgical repair later, especially for multigravitas. Here is a more humorous look at the damage from pregnancy/childbirth and you might as well laugh about it because it ain't going away without a surgeon to banish it: http://www.mommycribnotes.com/2010/11/post-pregnancy-body-please-god-dont-let.html But on behalf of all the other mothers out there who are less than keen on their post-pregnancy bodies, I feel thus compelled Dear God, I would like to humbly request that you reconsider your long-standing, global policy of allowing pregnancy to wreak permanent damage on a womans body. I earnestly submit this recall to appeal the common practice of flabby tummy, saggy breasts and wider hips appearing post pregnancy. I know there are some moms out there who claim to celebrate such changes as badges of honor and as a wonderful reminder of what their bodies are capable of doing. Theyre liars, bless their hearts. Or, maybe theyre just better women than me. Regardless, Im not in their camp. I already have the two most beautiful and constant reminders of the miracle I participated in, and their names are Sophia and Marissa. First, there was the battle to lose weight after pregnancy. Many of us have reached a stalemate on that account. But Im not complaining about that because it is, in theory and in Heidi Klums case, possible to recover from pregnancy weight gain. However, when the stretch marks, which I successfully avoided with my first pregnancy, took roost only six months into the second, I have to confess that I was deeply disappointed. Those stretch marks were soon followed by the rest of the forever gang hemorrhoids, varicose veins, and later, the dreaded belly overhang. (Since when did my belly feel it necessary to provide shade for my pelvis?) Badges of honor? Ill just take an honorable mention. Reminders of how my life has changed? Dont need em. Me time now consists of getting the flu shot or taking a shower. Listen Lord, I know Im not alone. I have one friend who has banished thongs from her lingerie drawer and named her hemorrhoids. Sadly, she knows theyre not going anywhere. I know many more mommies who fantasize about breast lifts and tummy tucks, but make do with push-up bras and Spanx instead. It doesnt seem fair that with each pregnancy, our bodies suffer additional wear and tear. With greater service and sacrifice comes greater punitive damages - wheres the justice in that? I propose that with each pregnancy, our postpartum bodies only get more taut, supple and glowy. Think how hot that would make Octomom, and how much plastic surgery money that would have saved her.
I have discovered the Abortionist's fave movie!! Thanks Obama... "A Brave New World" quote: pregnancy is a 'painful, dangerous, degrading experience'! mother and father are dirty words being monogamous is 'anti social'... there is the abortionist's blueprint for the future.
I think some women have bitter souls that cant' be blamed on their babies, or nature. They need to learn to understand the difference between 'change' and 'damage'. This woman that wrote that nasty little note would be a bitter little witch whether she had children or not. I pity her poor kids.
