Darkness does not exist as thought conventionally.

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  1. Equality

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    So you answered a multiple choice question with an answer that wasn't one of the choices. Oh well.
     
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    Yes darkness is a thing, I totally agree with you, it is the thing of objects where we see no visible light. You seem open minded, perhaps we can have a discussion?

    We know that we only observe visible light, visible light is only created by matter that has a permeability, by interacting with the electromagnetic radiation. This event of visible light is an action that happens at the source of the visible light. The Sun has visible light but does not emit visible light. Visible light does not traverse through space.

    Now if you looked out into space between the distance stars, one might say the perception is that it looks dark, however this perception is not the lack of electromagnetic radiation, it is the lack of objects that produce visible light.

    Can you understand that space is neither in visible light and it is neither dark like that of a object surface that is not interacting with electromagnetic radiation?
     
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    The was a something else option
     
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    A point about the apparent darkness of space - a lot of that is actually due to most light sources being too distant & dim for us to see. Space, being full of varying amounts of "dust," ends up obscuring the light traveling through it. I think if we could see every light source out there, the sky would look more or less white with light!

    I wouldn't say that darkness is a thing in the objective sense, but it is a "thing" that we perceive due to how our brains work.
     
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    Yes a ''thing'' a perception. However can the space turn dark or light ? Our perception of space is transparent like glass, it is see through when there is visible objects present. These visible objects can be in darkness or in visible light, but I do not believe the space changes in appearance from clear.

    So if you were inside a box with no source of ''light'', I do not think the space is dark like the walls are dark.
     
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    Ok , maybe I should refine the question , does the space light up in my room when I turn the lights on?
     
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    There is no entity known as dark
     
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    Why would we expect to see a green apple? Most people know that a red apple is going to absorb most green light and reflect most red light; that's why it's red.

    Actually, that would mean that light works exactly as we think. And no, the apple is not red in the dark. It is black in the dark, but retains the property of reflecting red light.
     
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    I want you to give due credit to the artists who created those wildly intriguing pieces. What are their respective names, and where did they go to school? I prefer the one on the left, but I suppose its just a matter of taste. I don't see the second one as really working in a living room or den.
     
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    It sounds like you mean to define darkness a certain way, since, for the most part, we see light either from a light source or something reflecting it. One of the exceptions to that is refraction, e.g. as our atmosphere does.

    So, riddle me this - if our sky can be bright with refracted light, can it then also be dark?
     
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    Everything a photon touches will "Light up" and nothing will be illuminated beyond it, These photons will be absorbed by the object touched and create shadow. Realize as well that empty space is not actually empty of matter.
     
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    Which photon? The particle or the wave.
    And would it matter if it was the other?

    And yet matter is mostly empty space.

    The size of an atom, minus the nucleus and electrons has lots of empty space.
     
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    In this context the duality of light is irrelevant as is the density of matter in space over thousands of light years. There is very good reason we cannot see the center of our own galaxy, let alone Andromeda.
     
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    Well actually you could have both pictures in your living room but you would only be able to see one of them. I will call the one on the left objective reasoning and I shall also call the one on the right , objective reasoning, because unless you objective reason with yourself , you just can't see the pictures.
    :d
     
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    Everything electromagnetic radiation touches that has a permeability >0 will ''light up'' as long as the electromagnetic radiation has enough magnitude to apply radiation pressure on that thing. This then produces visible photons in the exact location of the interaction. I am well aware that space contains ''invisible'' matter as well as visible matter. i.e things like air in our atmosphere

    It seems to me that ''darkness'' and visible light is dependent of substance with a permeability >0?
     
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    How can you answer that with such certainty when there is most definitely an uncertainty involved with a similarity to Shrodler's cat in the box.

    Ok , I put an apple inside a box and seal the box. I then come to you ask you what colour apple do I have in the box?

    Is it a green apple or is it a red apple?

    You have a 50/50 option of guessing the correct colour.

    Now the same applies for the apple in the box in the darkness, how do you know it is not red in the ''dark'' if you can not see the apple in it's darkness?

    Green and red make brown, if the apple is showing brown when a green light shines on it, the red of the apple and the green of the light are making brown, and this shows the apple is red in the dark.
     
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    P.s Also one is a 2d picture and one is a 3d picture.
     
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    If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a noise?
     
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    No it doesn't, it only becomes a noise if somebody is within the radius to detect the air vibration and convert it into a noise.
     
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    I define darkness: The perception of localised objects without illumination .

    I just think that darkness= the absence of the light


    Is rather vague and general leaving people to have different interpretations. I think my definition is exact.
     
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    Schrodinger, not Shrodler. :roll:

    The reason I can be certain that the apple is black in the dark is because black is the color of anything which is neither emitting nor reflecting light. You have stipulated that there is no light in the box, hence the apple is black.

    Already answered above.

    No, what it shows is that, under green light, the apple is brown. From that, you can infer that it has the potential to be red under a full spectrum of light (NOT in the dark). Your experiment actually shows that the color of the apple is the function of two separate things: the apple, and the light which shines on it. Again, the conclusion is that the apple is black in the dark, as a result of the lack of light reflecting off of it.
     
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    Then by your argument it does not exist either, as nobody is there to measure any of its physical properties
     
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    A bunny heard the tree fall and ran away. A deaf man noticed and walked into the clearing to see the downed tree.

    The tree indeed fell.
     
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    Do you not realise that the colour black is a different thing to the darkness of an object?

    The colour black is because most of the electromagnetic radiation is absorbed. Darkness is when something goes dim. You can not be sure the apple is not red when the apple is not illuminated. How do we know that colour does not exist other than by light?
     
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    What are you referring to with this post, darkness or the Noise?
     
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