"Day" in Genesis vs. "Day" in the NT...an Old Earth Creationist dilemma-

I agree with the above quote.

 

????...how long is it between one sunset and the next sunset????

 

Then "yom" means anything we want it to mean?

 

24 hours from sunset to sunset, but it doesn't say sunset to sunset.

It says sunset to sunrise..

 

Sorry, but YOU said that..

"The Jewish day was from sunset to sunset, so how can anyone assume this is a 24 hour period"

I guess it was a typo?

BTW, just to be clear...how long do you believe a "day" in Genesis was?

 

Sorry for not being clear.. What I should have said:

How can anyone assume that sunset to sunrise is a 24 hour period when the Jewish day was from sunset to sunset

Looks to me like "day" > 24 hours

 

Science, logic, reason, and critical thinking....will be the death of religion w/in the next 100 years....I CAN FEEL IT! It's a great day (24 hours!) to be alive, as we are slowly but surely witnessing the fall of the worst plague in human history (religion).

 

Uhhh....it doesn't work that way.

The onus is not upon ME to supply evidence that some SUPERNATURAL DEITY did not mean a standard day.

The onus is upon YOU...to prove that a SUPERNATURAL DEITY meant a day was subjective....never mind the fact the onus is upon you to prove that a SUPERNATURAL DEITY even EXISTS!

AboveAlpha

 

As far as the Nuclear Testing done in the 1940's through 1970's....it effected Carbon-14 data a small amount so if for instance dating of a Roman wooden Boat tested out at 1900 years old....it would actually be between 1950 and 2000 years old.

As far as Potassium-40 Testing to determine the age of the Earth....such atomic testing would have no influence as we are talking about Rock not once Biological Material being tested.

AboveAlpha

 

You made the claim that it is a made up story. Elijah is asking for evidence, to which you claim you have no reason to supply.. When you make the claim and shift the burden of proof then your argument is nullified.

 

Let's get this straight right now.

It will ALWAYS be the person backing a SUPERNATURAL EXPLANATION who must provide the proof....as the ONUS will ALWAYS be upon the person who is basing an argument upon GODS WILL.

AboveAlpha

 

Lets get this straight right now. When YOU make a claim that you refuse to back up, your argument is nullified.

You do know what nullified means don't you?

 

I am not making an assertion.

The assertion is that Ancient Man was writing down what a GOD dictated to them.

THAT is an ASSERTION.

AboveAlpha

 

To save myself the taste of crow I should probably read the thread before I jump to conclusions.

There are many things in the Bible that support inspiration that is not human..

1. The universe had a beginning.

2. A sequence in creation

3. Succession of the appearance of life forms

4. the most recent animals to appear are humans

5. common ancestry of humans

 

All of these things are concepts that anyone could guess at without any Divine Intervention.

AboveAlpha

 

Progressive Revelation is just one of several views of the level of inspiration attributed to the writings of the Bible. The approach implied is consistent with the teachings and spirit of the message. The application of Progressive Revelation takes into consideration:
• The time of the writing
• The personality of the writer
• The ability of the masses to grasp and accept the message
Genesis, by some, covers a period of time from the Creation to the Exodus. This calls for the rejection of the universe evolving over billions of years. A Literal Translation of the Bible fails any test applied to it with the Literal believers choosing which principles/section are to be taken literally and which are not, let us not include those they chose to ignor.
It is agreed that Genesis is a collection of stories which were in existence long before it being written. These same stories are found in several forms in many societies, indicating a common source. Differences exist, but the difference are less than expected and quite small considering the time which separates their origin to the first written records of them.
We might ask ourselves if these records are correct but that is of little importance when consideration is given to the message being conveyed.

Elijah, does this discussion not require that your view be allowed? When these stories came into existence they could have been created or reported. A book was written decades ago, "One, Two, Three, Infinity" The title was taken from the ability of a tribe to count. They could count to three and anything more than that was just a large number.

 

I would imagine it depends on the context that its used in.

 

You said "ancient man made up the story". That's an assertion, and I'm asking for your proof.

 

Do the tests use the contents of the atmosphere for its findings?

 

Those supernatural claims that can be examined dont hold up. The flood story for example.

As a rule, perjury nullifies the testimony from most any source, dont you think so?

 

They aint all true, either.

 

The context is...whatever we WANT the context to be, right? I mean, if you wanted a more "realistic" Jonah story, you could say he was only in the fish for about three MINUTES before beign regurgitated. It's possible for a person to survive that.....much more than three DAYS.

So....I define a "yom" in Jonah as "a minute". Tell me why I'm wrong.

 

So would both sides be nullified then?

 

No...Potassium-40 does not use Atmosphere to determine the age of the Earth...I have told you this repeatedly...and I have even posted an explanation of how the age of Earth...4.5 plus Billion years old has been determined.

AboveAlpha

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What you talkin' bout Willis?

AboveAlpha

 

You would have a case had Christ not used it as an illustration for His being in the grave for three days. And as well as I know ( I could be wrong), day in the N.T. means day.