Dear Pope Francis...... how about we assist the Jews to get Rabbi Nachman back?

wgabrie · Aug 10, 2015

Dennis this is the first time I've looked up "Fatima Prophecies" because I've never hear about them before.

It's the prophecies of three children from 1917.

Well, I don't know... This has all of the markings of something the church wrote later for the occasion. And some people are worried that the real third secret was not actually released.

But at least the third secret as it's presented now does seem to indicate that the future isn't a sure thing and can be prevented.

Now if only they knew about the multiverse they might have figured out that there are parallel universes and anything that can happen does happen in an infinite multiverse. It doesn't mean it will happen to this version of us.

wgabrie · Aug 10, 2015

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Wgabrie...… I honestly don't know?!

We are now in the middle of another federal election campaign....... so I rather doubt that many of the candidates will talk about this during the campaign......… On the plus side though..... if the Canadian government does succeed in burying this again....... this sure would create a massive opportunity for Pope Francis?!

http://www.politicalforum.com/econo...-north-american-economy-could-organizing.html

Volunteerism is over twenty percent of North American economy… could organizing it...

back up…… stabilize…. insure… the value of the USA dollar?

Ithaca, New York has one of the simplest and easily understood measuring instruments for economic activity imaginable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_Hours

Is it theoretically possible for a group of people to accomplish a much greater organization of volunteerism through a database that would give North America a secondary economy that we could fall back on….. just in case?
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Well Dennis, I think people still want to use money and get interest for saving it.

Maybe, because they're burying this idea, they know a secret about the way that money works with interest, or maybe they just don't want to try something different. I don't know, such economic ideas are so far beyond and above me.

At this stage of human development we need currency. But I talked to the aliens once and they said they don't use currency, so I don't know how they motivate their people to work.

So I guess the financial institutions making a profit off dealing with money are just a temporary leach on the system. They won't be there for the rest of human history. What will replace it? I don't know. And we can't move on until we figure it out.

DennisTate · Aug 10, 2015

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis this is the first time I've looked up "Fatima Prophecies" because I've never hear about them before.

It's the prophecies of three children from 1917.

Well, I don't know... This has all of the markings of something the church wrote later for the occasion. And some people are worried that the real third secret was not actually released.

But at least the third secret as it's presented now does seem to indicate that the future isn't a sure thing and can be prevented.

Now if only they knew about the multiverse they might have figured out that there are parallel universes and anything that can happen does happen in an infinite multiverse. It doesn't mean it will happen to this version of us.
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Wgabrie....... I deeply appreciate your taking a look at these Fatima prophecies.

My theory is that they probably fit perfectly with ancient Catholic prophecies...... that fit perfectly with the words of the major and minor Jewish prophets...... but......... they ultimately show that Messiah Yeshua- Jesus - Issa has a phenomenal sense of humour...... as I mentioned in the opening post.

I got into this subject with Sanhedrin Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander back in 2010.......

http://tate4centralnova.yuku.com/topic/383/My-correspondence-with-Rabbi#.VcijWHh1qOw

....(post #6)......

Shalom Rabby .......

I deeply appreciate your reply to my e-mail Sir.

Back in the early '80's I was made aware that Catholic prophecy from well over
one thousand years ago stated emphatically that essentially the whole world was going to
become observant of the laws of Moshe. A friend of mine attended Ambassador
College in the '70's. He said that there was an original set of the Catholic
Encyclopaedia from the eighth century on the campus. A friend of his knew Latin and
translated an article on The Antichrist. He was both shocked as well as encouraged
by the ideas expressed.

This article stated that in the latter days Christ would come to the earth first, and
things would be going great, then the Anti-Christ would come to the earth and cast
Christ into hell. Soon the veneration of Mary would cease from the earth and
essentially everybody would begin to observe the Jewish Sabbaths, Holy Days
and eat kosher.

I am sure that you are well aware of these prophecies and how they fueled anti-Semitic
sentiment throughout the dark ages.

Finally we are living in a time period when these ideas can be viewed in a whole
new light. The Christ who comes first could be understood to perhaps refer to
the final Elijah who is predicted to even be instrumental in the restoration of the
lost tribes of Israel. The Christ who comes first could refer to Mashiach ben
Yosef/Joseph or even to the King Cyrus type predicted in Isaiah 42 - 46. Considering that
the King Cyrus type does not himself know HaShem in a manner in which he
can be dogmatic, it is easy to understand why he would get along quite well
with the heirachy of the Roman Catholic Church.

"I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I
girded thee, though thou hast not known me:" (Isaiah 45:5)

Since 1990 I have studied the near death experience continually. It was interesting
that in 1975 Dannion Brinkley whose NDE was even made into a TV movie was shown
that Israel and Jordan would become one nation!?

He was shown that an attempt to unfiy Judaism, Christianity and Islam would be made
around 2000, but thankfully a lot of people were praying and events were altered.

http://www.dannion.com/09/tan/index-tan.htm

“Many of my visions concerned the Middle East:

…A part of the vision that is yet to take place involves a merger of the three main religions – Islam, Judaism and Christianity – in Israel. The visions revealed that the Catholic Church would successfully establish a Vatican “state-within-the-state” of Israel before the year 2000. Although the intent of this effort would be a peaceful one, this move would infuriate many Middle Easterners and would lead to war.”

Obviously, this did not happen before 2000 and now I know why. But let’s take a quick look at history before I tell you the rest of the story"
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...(Dannion Brinkley)

One of the greatest ideological divisions between Christians, Jews and Moslems
is how we regard the parentage of Rabbi Yahushua/Jesus. I have an alternative
theory on this subject that could make greater understanding between all of us possible. My theory hinges on the relatively new idea that the four forces of
electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force can be unified in eleven
dimensions of space-time.
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Actually..... the evidence for non - linear time...... implies that in a previous time line......... probably everything that Dannion BRinkley had been shown........... may have taken place........ and in that other time line a massive depopulation of the earth took place well before the year 2200 C. E. In our time line..... the most dangerous events can be delayed and delayed and delayed........ and even fulfilled in merely the metaphorical manner.......... because that information given to Robert Mendelson that I referred to back on page 1......post #5........ That vision elaborates on...... what had been shown to Dannion Brinkley back in 1975..... and gives us a key to alter the whole formula.

http://www.politicalforum.com/humor...2000-election-but-negates-global-dimming.html
In alternate time line Mr. Gore wins the 2000 election but negates Global Dimming....
...(post #7) here.... summarizes some of the evidence that indicates non-linear time....

DennisTate · Aug 10, 2015

wgabrie said: ↑

Well Dennis, I think people still want to use money and get interest for saving it.

Maybe, because they're burying this idea, they know a secret about the way that money works with interest, or maybe they just don't want to try something different. I don't know, such economic ideas are so far beyond and above me.

At this stage of human development we need currency. But I talked to the aliens once and they said they don't use currency, so I don't know how they motivate their people to work.

So I guess the financial institutions making a profit off dealing with money are just a temporary leach on the system. They won't be there for the rest of human history. What will replace it? I don't know. And we can't move on until we figure it out.
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Dear Pope Francis and all of your followers reading this discussion........ Wgabrie...... experienced alien/ ufo abduction.... and writes very openly and honestly about his experience in other discussion threads here on this forum.

I personally have concluded that Wgabrie........ describes what he experienced as openly and honestly as he humanly could do.......... The Book of Enoch was part of the Catholic canon for five centuries...... This amazing book had a prophecy within it that it would be cast aside....... and then brought back in the "latter days." I am of the opinion that The Book of Enoch explains some truly mysterious verses in the Jewish and Christian and Islamic scriptures.

Here is how near death experiencer Christian Andreason described what he had been shown about this topic:

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

"What about beings from other planets, do you think they visit here?

Yes I do. And I think those who have been permitted to cross over into our world have been doing so for a very long time now (for a very important purpose) as Divinely arranged by Heaven. Since my NDE, because of a few things I was shown, it is now my deep belief that some of the more phenomenal events depicted in the Old Testament (such as the Great flood of Noah, the parting of the Red Sea for Moses, the mass explosion of Sodom and Gomorrah, etc) are not only very true, but were moments in time which were orchestrated and performed by beings of a much higher order and intelligence than our ownwho may have volunteered their technology and understandings or even sent to help guide and shape a culture within humanity during a pressing time within its development and evolution." (Christian Andreason, chapter 2)
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.... .Pope Francis........ before you take the time to read about Christian Andreason's NDE..... I would suggest that you may wish to read the NDE of Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D.

http://www.thomastwin.com/3 A Autobio.html

"Only days after our engagement, while working on a construction site on June 3rd, 1966, I fell down a 37 foot piling shaft, crushed one of my vertebrae to half size, badly fractured two others and tore all my inner organs out of place. A few days after that, I died and had a Near Death Experience during which I met and talked with Jesus, Elijah and Moses, in a scene which mirrored the Transfiguration. We discussed a "project" in which we were all involved, a project which had to do with the development of human spiritual consciousness and which involved many thousands of people over thousands of years. I describe the NDE in detail in both The Thomas Book and The Prayer of Silence, since it is at the base of the relationship I established with Yeshua (Jesus), which allowed me to write The Thomas Book, and which opened up to me the inner nature of human consciousness in a dramatic way and gave me clues to practicing and teaching the kind of meditation I later learned from spiritual sources and wrote intoThe Prayer of Silence. The rest of my life was given focus and impetus in the Near Death Experience. It is the pivot on which everything else swings.

I did not expect, before the accident, while reading my books in my third floor room, struggling with a growing sense of the emptiness of modern culture and while looking for a deeper meaning in life than the one I had found so far, that I would be thrown into such a deep experience of the spirit. I did not even know it was possible to leave the body and return. I did not believe that we could exist in that kind of spiritual state. When I returned to life, I was aware of a few surprising things. I knew I could no longer be a minister because I knew there was something very wrong with the gospels in the Bible and I could not teach many of the key Bible stories on which contemporary Christianity is built, or the doctrines which had been developed from them. I knew the rest of my life would be devoted to discovering what was wrong with those stories and then sharing that knowledge with others.

I also knew that the materialist picture of consciousness taught in the West, which I had been studying in university, was woefully inadequate. I knew that another aspect of my future life would involve exploring consciousness in depth from a "spiritual" perspective, not from merely a psychological view. The NDE had opened many areas of human possibility, which I had to explore, because I had not been given any answers in my short time in the land of death." (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D.)
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Pope Francis..... remember how the Prophet Esdras was shown that TRUTH was an unstoppable force?

DennisTate · Aug 10, 2015

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Pope Francis...... Sir...................... one of the ways in which Messiah Yeshua - Jesus - Issa displays his phenomenal sense of humour..... is by rewarding us radically beyond our wildest imagination after we get the smallest thing half right????!!!

A day or so ago I again read how author Robert Mendelson was given......"God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land" that I drew your attention to in post #5...... This so reminds me of II Corinthians 12:1-4.......

Pope Francis............ Sir....... over and over and over again..... as I personally spoke with Mr. Mendelson by phone....... he humbly stressed that he never could have thought of God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land himself...... out of his own mind and set of life experiences.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/54012.htm
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Pope Francis..... Sir..... and all of your followers who read this information..... I feel that it is time to quote you part 2 of Mr. Robert Mendelson's OOBE or NDE account............ that laid the foundation for "God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land."

http://www.godspeaceplan.blogspot.ca/2014/07/gods-peace-plan-for-holy-land-peace.html
God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land.

PEACE IN THE HOLY LAND & NDE PEOPLE - 3
A VISIT TO THE 3RD HEAVEN - PART 2
"I, too, couldnt believe what had happened, so by the next day I put it out of my mind. But two days later, Wednesday, the grand finale came. I was at my neighbors' garage that morning painting wooden screens and storm windows. I went home at noon, heated up some soup, and ate lunch. After eating, I leaned back in my chair and reminisced contentedly about the healing that had taken place with my brother the previous Sunday. As I sat there, I felt a wonderful glow descend upon my head and down over my shoulders. It felt warmuplifting/joyful/transcendent. Although I was awake, my eyes were closed. Had they been open, I might have reacted differently. As it was, I'd been thinking of the healing with Jon, when all of a sudden I was bathed in this wonderful glow. The thought crossed my mind that somehow I'd created this phenomena. I'd taken some self growth seminars and have been drawn to spirituality, so I thought perhaps this was some new level I'd attained. I said to myself, "Gee, Im going to do this more often." Then, from a distance but drawing nearer, I heard music; soft, tinkly, like a bell choir, from above me.

Next, a voice from above me said, "I am pleased with you." At that point I began to feel uncomfortable. The glow felt marvelous, the music was sweet, and the voice said something nice, but this couldn't be happening! God was supposed to say things like that to Jesus, not me! I began to panic. My eyes were still closed. I don't know about you, but when mine are closed I see a deep dark brownish black, or if there's light nearby, maybe yellow, orange, or red. Now, however, something entirely different filled my mind's eye; a solid background in chartreuse, a bright, vibrant, yellowish green. Superimposed on it was a pattern of round red orbs in groups of four, in square formation. Each group was evenly spaced in rows and columns that went from here toat that moment I came as close as I've ever come to comprehending infinity. I felt a sensation like the front of my brain tearing apart, wide open, and then I was terror stricken. Then another voice spoke, one I recognizedmy guardian angel. How I know this voice is a story for another time, but I've heard him more than once. Whenever I've listened to him, he's saved my life, and when I didn't listen to him on one occasion I learned a very painful lesson. This time he said, "Let it be. Let it happen."

I listened, tried to relax, and focused on breathing. The chartreuse pattern with red balls vanished, replaced by a pattern one might describe as ultimate paisley in metallic tints of carmine, turquoise, and silver. I couldn't help but appreciate the intricacy and beauty of what I saw, despite my discomfort. Then I sensed something enormous, powerful, coming towards me...then all was darkness...next I saw a point of light... which expanded, rapidly, scrolling outwards,...becoming...the mouth of a cave (or tunnel) viewed from inside looking out. The sky outside was deep black/blue, like outer space. I saw the silhouetted form of a man at the entrance. Silhouetted, because behind him, from outside the cave, Light of the most indescribable beauty streamed in. That's the best I can do. Human words can't describe the depth of its beautypale gold, shot through with all the colors of the rainbow, and more. But color is the least of its beauty.

I was vaguely aware the man was motioning me to come forward. Vaguely, because I was enraptured by the Light. I came forward, looked towards the Light, and saw it emanated from inside a "cloud". The "cloud" was the galaxy, not a cumulonimbus cloud. Something like the slender funnel of a tornado (or a "black hole") came out from within the cloud, reached down, and shot into my heart. The moment that occurred everything exploded into brightly colored sparks.
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wgabrie · Aug 10, 2015

Dennis,

In non-linear time the future affects the past, or to be more specific in experiments they've discovered that in a future where a particle is observed 90 times out of 100 the system will evolve towards that future.

I made a thread topic about it a while ago: Quantum time the future affects the past .

DennisTate · Aug 10, 2015

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis,

In non-linear time the future affects the past, or to be more specific in experiments they've discovered that in a future where a particle is observed 90 times out of 100 the system will evolve towards that future.

I made a thread topic about it a while ago: Quantum time the future affects the past .
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Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!

What you just wrote fits amazingly well with what was stated by a near death experiencer......... During her NDE, D. S. was shown herself...... five hundred years in the future......... and then her future self....... was somehow sent back into our time period........ with the mission in life to 'break chains and set captives free."

This sure reminds me of Isaiah 45:

Isaiah 45:13
I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
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Many people who read this will laugh hysterically at somebody being shown conditions five centuries in the future.......... Personally, I take D. S. very seriously.....(which I suppose will make this all the more humorous for some readers)?!

What D. S. saw is quoted in posts #53,54,55,56,57 here......
http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...rencies-finance-films-address-problems-6.html

DennisTate · Aug 10, 2015

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis,

In non-linear time the future affects the past, or to be more specific in experiments they've discovered that in a future where a particle is observed 90 times out of 100 the system will evolve towards that future.

I made a thread topic about it a while ago: Quantum time the future affects the past .
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Wgabrie.... from what you know of the paranormal..... what is your impression of the description of the OOBE or NDE experience of Robert Mendelson which laid the foundation for him being given "God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land?"

The first two parts of his description of Robert's OOBE or NDE is given on page one, post #7 and in page 3, post # 30......

PEACE IN THE HOLY LAND & NDE PEOPLE - 4
A VISIT TO THE 3RD HEAVEN - PART 3
"The next thing I'm conscious of, I was standing in a field of long, tall grass. I looked over to my left, and there was a man, thirtyish, with a beard, standing nearby. The man, the field, and everything in it, was being bathed, flooded, with the same Light I'd seen earlier. Haloes of rainbow hues formed over the man's head, traveling in ripples down the length of his body, one after another. Then I looked down at my torso, and saw bands of Light were traveling down me as well. It was "heaven". If you imagine the intensity of a blazing sun on a summer day at noon, the heat you feel on your skin, and then replace that heat with Pure Unconditional LOVE and COMPASSION, and turn the volume up; that's how it felt. Ecstasy. The thought formed in my mind; "This must be God Consciousness."

It was so wonderful, my attention was drawn to it like a moth to a flame. That isn't a bad analogy. As I looked up and my gaze drew nearer the source, the intensity of the LOVE increased so rapidly that in a split second of utter terror I knew I'd be crushed, annihilated under the weight and intensity of the Light. I couldn't look upon God and live. Neither my mortal nor spirit forms could handle something of that magnitude. The next instant I found myself back in my kitchen sitting in my chair trembling like a leaf. The whole experience took place over the course of about one and a half hours, but I recall only about 4 twenty minutes of it. I suppose I'll know more when and if I'm supposed to. After perhaps an hour I was composed enough to go back to my neighbors’ house. I told Lynn (the wife) what had happened, and the next day they gave me a copy of the "ONE YEAR BIBLE". That was the first book in my hand after the journey and it has a special significance you'll learn about next.

Before that, you should know that at the time this experience happened, I was not a member of any organized religion. I'd been raised a Protestant, but couldn't accept that good people who weren't Christians were going to hell. So, one day I went out in a field and yelled up at the sky that I would never serve a God like that, but I would pretend there really was a good God and serve that one, instead. I told God He could blast me, but never get me to serve Him. And that was that.

Years passed, and I knew there was something more than just 3D reality, I knew there was a higher power, but it was unavailable to me through scripture. Now, I'd just been taken to what I now call "upstairs", and been given a Bible upon my return. And btw, this isn't heading into a one religion over another direction. Most, if not all NDEs indicate that God has spoken to multiple peoples who today follow multiple sacred paths, and that's the understanding I also received. But, I happened to be working for a neighbor who happened to own a Christian bookstore, so I suppose God intended me to read a Bible first.

And here's the wonderful part--at least as pertains to peace. As I read through it, I began in the Old Testament. I'd be reading just like I normally read, then would come to a passage that would kind of read itself to me--like someone else speaking it to me. When that happened, I'd note the passage, then continue. By the time I reached Ezekiel, I knew I'd been shown a peace plan for the Holy Land, but didn't know what to do with it. Yet.
For the next nine years I quietly lived my life, painting houses, waiting for what was coming next. To be honest, I didn't have much choice, because while I knew I'd been given a job, I didn't know details. Then September 11, 2001, arrived, which happened to be my 50th birthday. I woke up early that morning and meditated. I didn't turn on the radio or TV. As I meditated two bits of prose popped into my mind. I felt compelled to write them down. The first was about adversity and how it can help us grow;
"The walls of a prison can also be teachers.
In order to be free,
a person must either grow tall enough to step over them,
or strong enough to push through them.
If a person does their best,
if they fail they will have peace of mind,
but if they succeed, they will have freedom and stronger muscles."

With the second one the sensation was very strange. I was being called, but not by an audible Voice. It's hard to describe, but I did my best. Here it is;
"Something that was asleep has been awoken.
I can hear God calling, inside and outside me;
I can hear Life calling, inside and outside me;
to ACTION...",
I resumed meditating. About fifteen minutes later, I received a phone call from my sister Ann. She'd been watching television and had just seen a plane (the second one) hit the World Trade Center. God's wake-up call to me came the instant before the first plane struck.

By the end of the month I'd been sent on a journey out West, returned, and was told the time had come to compile the peace plan. Since this was never mine, I knew that it would be used in God's time, not mine, and would be distributed in accordance with God's guidance and with the Holy Spirit as the active power behind its spreading outward among the people. And so it is, today.
The peace plan is called "God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land", and is now translated into three languages--Arabic, English, and Hebrew. I'm going to post these next. You are free to read them and share them as God directs you. I suggest sending these to people in the Holy Land, and to anyone else who you feel needs to read it. All glory goes to God!" (Robert Mendelson)
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http://www.godspeaceplan.blogspot.ca/2014/07/gods-peace-plan-for-holy-land-peace.html

God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land, presented by Robert Mendelson.

The Arabic and Hebrew versions of God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land can be found at......
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NearDeathExperiencesbringusTogether/
Near Death Experiences bring us TOGETHER!

as well as at......
https://www.facebook.com/groups/godspeaceplan/
God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land

wgabrie · Aug 10, 2015

Dennis, in order to have such a future we would need to develop a Unified Field Theory (UFT).

Well, as AboveAlpha is always saying: If someone could understand a UTF then they could turn energy into mater and back again. All of matter is comprised of quantum particle/wave forms of energy. Matter and Energy, it's all the same thing. Such people would need nothing.

But Dennis, we might not be able to understand a Unified Field Theory. Our best minds, including Einstein have tried to formulate it, but, so far, no success. Our minds might not be advanced enough for that.

DennisTate · Aug 10, 2015

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis, in order to have such a future we would need to develop a Unified Field Theory (UFT).

Well, as AboveAlpha is always saying: If someone could understand a UTF then they could turn energy into mater and back again. All of matter is comprised of quantum particle/wave forms of energy. Matter and Energy, it's all the same thing. Such people would need nothing.

But Dennis, we might not be able to understand a Unified Field Theory. Our best minds, including Einstein have tried to formulate it, but, so far, no success. Our minds might not be advanced enough for that.
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There is a real possibility that the UFO, seen over the Jerusalem Temple Mount on January 28, 2011 could well have been one of the un-fallen Watchers referred to in the Book of Daniel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIoHE6P8gOk

UFO Temple Mount

..... The articles published in Israel on January 25 and 26, 2011, about huge generators being taken by Jordanians to the Temple Mount........... How in the world could something like all this be faked????!

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/141937
Huge Jordanian Generators Sighted on Temple Mount

Although the reason for bringing them is unclear, Jewish activists suspect the electricity generators are a sign that Muslims plan mayhem.
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By Gil Ronen and Rachel Sylvetsky
First Publish: 1/25/2011, 3:48 PM / Last Update: 1/26/2011, 1:16 AM

Daniel 4:14

This is the decree by the sentence of the watchers, and the word and demand of the holy ones; till the living know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men; and he will give it to whomsoever it shall please him, and he will appoint the basest man over it.
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wgabrie · Aug 10, 2015

Dennis, regarding "God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land?"...

I tend not to pay attention to religious politics. My last impression of such things is that God is trying to kill us all. I don't think I want to follow any divine plans.

wgabrie · Aug 10, 2015

Regarding the UFO over Jerusalem I don't really pay attention to such things which combine UFOs with prophesy.

To me the UFO people are just other people, and we shouldn't ascribe prophesy to them.

It didn't work out so well for the inhabitants of Central America when the Europeans came and were mistaken for gods.

DennisTate · Aug 12, 2015

wgabrie said: ↑

Regarding the UFO over Jerusalem I don't really pay attention to such things which combine UFOs with prophesy.

To me the UFO people are just other people, and we shouldn't ascribe prophesy to them.

It didn't work out so well for the inhabitants of Central America when the Europeans came and were mistaken for gods.
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This is an extremely interesting analogy Wgabrie!

According to The Apocalypse of Moses..... it may be the plan of YHWH/ The G-d of Abraham/ HaShem...... to reincarnate the Patriarch Adam in the latter days..... and give him a truly powerful position of influence over world events.

Bowing down to aliens...... just because they have great technology could be another extremely serious error?!

http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/apcmose.htm

xxxix 1 And God saith to him: 'Adam, what hast thou done? If thou hadst kept my commandment, there would now be no rejoicing among those who are bringing thee down to this place. Yet, I tell thee that I will turn their joy to grief
2 and thy grief will I turn to joy, and I will transform thee to thy former glory? and set thee on the throne of thy deceiver. But he shall be cast
3 into this place to see thee sitting above him, then he shall be condemned and they that heard him, and he shall be grieved sore when he seeth thee sitting on his honourable throne.'
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wgabrie · Aug 12, 2015

Dennis whoever said that Humans were God's masterpiece creation was dead wrong.

Now I may be going off track here, but I hear some Extraterrestrials are super smart and I think that makes them a higher form of life.

What I mean is that there are stupid animals who are generally considered lower life forms and then there are smart higher life forms.

I think the E.T. are super smart, smarter than a human, and they tend to deny it, they say it's because they have advanced computers, but they are the ones who can build an antimatter engine that spans multiple divergent states of reality simultaneously to provide power. We humans can only build things for our reality.

DennisTate · Aug 13, 2015

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis whoever said that Humans were God's masterpiece creation was dead wrong.

Now I may be going off track here, but I hear some Extraterrestrials are super smart and I think that makes them a higher form of life.

What I mean is that there are stupid animals who are generally considered lower life forms and then there are smart higher life forms.

I think the E.T. are super smart, smarter than a human, and they tend to deny it, they say it's because they have advanced computers, but they are the ones who can build an antimatter engine that spans multiple divergent states of reality simultaneously to provide power. We humans can only build things for our reality.
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On the other hand.....what near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown was interesting.

“As these visions ended, I had the amazing realization that these Beings were desperately trying to help us, not because we were such good guys, but because without us advancing spiritually here on earth, they could not become successful in their world. “You humans are truly the heroes,” a Being told me. “Those who go to earth are heroes and heroines, because you are doing something that no other spiritual beings have the courage to do. You have gone to earth to cocreate with God.” (Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, page 80).
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wgabrie · Aug 13, 2015

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On the other hand.....what near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown was interesting.
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Dennis you didn't add a link!

Edit: Oh wait it's a book.

wgabrie · Aug 13, 2015

DennisTate said: ↑

On the other hand.....what near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown was interesting.

As these visions ended, I had the amazing realization that these Beings were desperately trying to help us, not because we were such good guys, but because without us advancing spiritually here on earth, they could not become successful in their world. You humans are truly the heroes, a Being told me. Those who go to earth are heroes and heroines, because you are doing something that no other spiritual beings have the courage to do. You have gone to earth to cocreate with God. (Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, page 80).
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Dennis that's very interesting.

Well, if it were true these so called beings would have to be operating on a level that's way beyond our ability to detect.

Well, things are pretty tight with physics regarding what's possible or not. But don't ask me to explain anything. That's way above me. Maybe you could get AboveAlpha to explain it to you.

I just have to say there's still the mystery about consciousness and how it affects the wave functions (causes it to collapse.) So, for now, there's still a high level mystery regarding consciousness and its ties to the Universe and Multiverse.

DennisTate · Aug 14, 2015

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis that's very interesting.

Well, if it were true these so called beings would have to be operating on a level that's way beyond our ability to detect.

Well, things are pretty tight with physics regarding what's possible or not. But don't ask me to explain anything. That's way above me. Maybe you could get AboveAlpha to explain it to you.

I just have to say there's still the mystery about consciousness and how it affects the wave functions (causes it to collapse.) So, for now, there's still a high level mystery regarding consciousness and its ties to the Universe and Multiverse.
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Wgabrie...… on page 2, post #16 in this thread....... I mentioned a specific past life that a gifted online friend of mine told me about. Whether or not she was correct about my soul - spirit having a connection with this person that could resemble the possible connection referred to in the Christian Bible between John the Baptist with Elijah........... still that past life could have ARTISTIC value.... that could be translated into diplomatic and even economic value..... and I have an idea of who could do this for Pope Francis, for all Catholics, and for all the people of the earth.

As you can guess.... she lives in England.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/near.../kellys-near-death-experience/400082496822856

Kelly's near death experience..

Kelly:…
"Hi everyone, lovely to connect and share my near death experience which took place in October 2009 and has impacted my life in the most profound way.

Like a lot of children I was bullied for being overweight. This resulted in me feeling different and at times feeling like a misfit. Outwardly I appeared happy with a big smile on my face but inwardly I lacked self love and suffered with self esteem issues. At the age of 16 my low self esteem resulted in me having an eating disorder. At the age of 19 I met my ex husband who was extremely good looking and I could not believe he could find me attractive. I fell in love and life started to get better however I still had issues that I needed to work from. We eventually got engaged and then married. My ex husband was a good man but we did have differing views on the world and spiritually were not aligned. I think looking back I felt trapped and in my twenties I started to suffer with periods of deep depression.

At the age of 33 I decided I could no longer stay in our marriage and left my husband. As it happens he had already met someone special so it was for the best. Leaving my husband started a sequence of events and over a period of 6 months I became single, lost my home, lost my job, my granddad died and I was in a mess financially and could not pay my bills. I had to move back to my parents. I felt so low, was in such a mess and didn't know how to cope ....I had lost HOPE. A person’s words were the last straw and I decided to end my life. I grabbed all the tablets in the medical cupboard and swallowed them. I then wrote a note and put that and the empty packets under my pillow so they would not be found until I was hopefully dead. I got a friend to pick me up and asked her to drop me off with another friend and called my mum that night and said I was staying at my friends for a couple of days. She had no reason to suspect otherwise. I could not believe it when next day I awoke and will still alive so I got my friend to buy me a packet of tablets and again swallowed the lot.

3 days later I was still alive and couldn't believe it but my skin was starting to scratch and I was coughing up bile. That night nearly 72 hours after taking the first lot of tablets I spoke to my mum and something clicked. I told my friend what I had done and she rushed me to the hospital. Blood tests were taken and when the doctor came back in you could see the look of horror on his face. My liver enzymes were at 10, 000 when they should be at 40 and I had in access of 20, 000 milligrams of paracetamol in my body. They could not pump my stomach as it was too many days since I had taken the tablets and my organs were starting to shut down. I was taken into an observation ward and was put on a drip. I remember feeling fearful that I was going to burn in hell for committing the cardinal sin .There was a Gideon bible on the side of my bed and started to read it at what seemed like 100 miles per hour. Next morning a beautiful nurse with white blonde hair touched my arm and the only words she spoke were when you get out of here read the book conversations with God and then she vanished. I have since been told that book by Neale Donald Walsch comes into your life when it supposed to. I truly believe she was an angel. At this stage I was still fearful and I sent for the onsite minister to pray over me and I was given a wooden cross. The following night I had what I can only describe as an NDE.

It was night time and I was holding onto my wooden cross and I was pumping with sweat. I felt like there were spiritual beings around me with their fingers over the mouth as if to say keep quiet. I felt as if I was travelling on a journey through bumps /dimensions in the universe. As I travelled my whole life flashed before me and I could feel the emotions associated with my life experience, love, anger, guilt, happiness etc. It wasn't in any particular order, all sort of jumbled up. I did not find this a pleasant experience and I it actual felt like a battle to survive. In total I travelled through 7 dimensions and once I had gone through the 7th bump I felt a wave if relief come over me. A feeling of I have made it and I felt totally at peace, full of love & joy. It was the most incredible feeling and I could have stayed in that moment forever. All of a sudden there was a conversation with me. I cannot tell you who spoke to me as I have no recollection. Infact it could just o9f been a voice in this void of peace, love & joy. The voice told me I was told I was strong which seemed ironic considering what I had just done. I was told I had a work to carry out on earth and was shown that as humans we have the capacity to heal physically, emotionally and spiritually through LOVE. It was demonstrated to me that we are all one, all connected. The voice told me I could be and do anything I wanted.....the following morning what seemed like an eternity as i had no comprehension of time I came around from this experience with my arms crossed over my chest and opened my arms in slow motion like a rebirth. This makes me giggle to this day but I could not understand why I was in a hospital bed when I had all this power and could be do anything I wanted and I tried to escape the ward naked.

The following night I got a sensing/vision of changing the world by collaborating with others. The following week I walked out of hospital with a clean bill of health which is a miracle in itself. Obviously emotionally I was not healed but slowly but surely I started to rebuild my life. I only spoke to a few close family members about my experience and if I being honest put it to the back of my mind. 6 months later I met my soul mate and day by day my life started to unfold and yet I always felt a void and wasn't sure of my purpose.
A few years later I went on a personal development training course and we got chatting about how much negativity there is in the world and the impact that will have on our precious children if things don't change. In that spilt second my near death experience came flooding back to me and in there and then I decided that I needed to do develop a project that is centred on self love, love for others and unity between creeds, cultures, genders , sexulaitry.etc and to demonstrate to children and the wider world that we are all one all connected. Interestingly after leaving the course I connected with an old friend who is a born again Christian and he linked me to a lady called Gwen who he felt I could collaborate with. She had recently become a Christian and she invited me to church. I went along on the Sunday morning and was warmly welcomed. I was asked if I believed in God and I replied yes but I don’t agree with some of the teachings that are being projected e.g. Gay people will go to hell. God is a fearful God etc. I went into the service and at the end I felt like a thunderbolt had hit me. At this time I wasn’t fully healed emotionally and still had a lot of questions and for a period of 3 months I got around this Pentecostal organisation. I attended some prayer sessions and ending up speaking in tongues. Everyone was shocked as I was so new to the church. To be honest I have no idea what was being said as it sounded like Arabic.

Around this time I was due to attend a course to learn the healing technique EFT. I told the people at church and they put the fear of God into me and told me to stay away as it was the work of the devil. Can you believe in the 20th century this sort of clap trap is being preached? Three months later I walked away from the church and got back on my spiritual journey. On reflection I believe that experience happened for a reason and it was to demonstrate the archaic views that are still being delivered through many religious organisations. What I saw and heard in the church was the direct opposite of what I experienced during my NDE. God is a forgiving God, a loving God, a compassionate kind God and your colour, creed, gender, sexuality, religious beliefs is irrelevant. We are here to learn ! simples! And we are here to LOVE!!

The profits from the project will be used to fund the love care share foundation that will provide food, shelter, water, education etc to those living in poverty around the world. The positivity power movement is launching in 2015 and it will be wonderful to have you all as part of this community"(Kelly Positivity Princess)
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DennisTate · Aug 14, 2015

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis you didn't add a link!

Edit: Oh wait it's a book.
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Yup........... and I believe that books and films can be used to get people to cooperate more and address their problems far more effectively. If many Catholics will assist Kelly Michelle Walsh whose near death experience is given in post #43.............. the results in England could be amazing. A problem that to a significant degree began in England.... could perhaps be largely reversed from England?????

http://www.politicalforum.com/econo...-north-american-economy-could-organizing.html

Volunteerism is over twenty percent of North American economy… could organizing it...

back up…… stabilize…. insure… the value of the USA dollar?

Ithaca, New York has one of the simplest and easily understood measuring instruments for economic activity imaginable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_Hours

The Ithaca HOUR is a local currency used in Ithaca, New York and is the oldest and largest local currency system in the United States that is still operating.[1][not in citation given] It has inspired other similar systems in Madison, Wisconsin; Corvallis, Oregon;[2] and a proposed system in the Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania.[3] One Ithaca HOUR is valued at US$10 and is generally recommended to be used as payment for one hour's work, although the rate is negotiable.
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Is it theoretically possible for a group of people to accomplish a much greater organization of volunteerism through a database that would give North America a secondary economy that we could fall back on….. just in case?

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...cans-from-a-canadian-and-a-thank-you.7653888/

An apology to all Americans from a Canadian and a Thank you!

.........I also wish to apologize for our elitism because it has been playing a significant role in your economic crash of 2008. If a higher percentage of Americans understood the full implications of truly wise monetary policy the world would begin to look quite different indeed!

http://www.michaeljournal.org/plenty49.htm

We are in 1750. The United States of America does not yet exist; it is the 13 Colonies of the American continent, forming “New England”, a possession of the motherland, England. Benjamin Franklin wrote about the population of that time: “Impossible to find a happier and more prosperous population on all the surface of the globe.”Going over to England to represent the interests of the Colonies, Franklin was asked how he accounted for the prosperous conditions prevailing in the Colonies, while poverty was rife in the motherland:

“That is simple,”Franklin replied. “In the Colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportion to make the products pass easily from the producers to the consumers. In this manner, creating ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay to no one.”

The English bankers, being informed of that, had a law passed by the British Parliament prohibiting the Colonies from issuing their own money, and ordering them to use only the gold or silver debt-money that was provided in insufficient quantity by the English bankers. The circulating medium of exchange was thus reduced by half.

“In one year,”Franklin stated, “the conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity ended, and a depression set in, to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployed.”

Then the Revolutionary War was launched against England, and was followed by the Declaration of Independence in 1776. History textbooks erroneously teach that it was the tax on tea that triggered the American Revolution. But Franklin clearly stated:

“The Colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters, had it not been the poverty caused by the bad influence of the English bankers on the Parliament: which has caused in the Colonies hatred of England, and the Revolutionary War.”
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DennisTate · Aug 14, 2015

Dear Pope Francis........ I have somebody in mind that I would like to nominate to become an actor playing out the role of some sort of modern political "Cyrus" as elaborated on by Mr. Eporu Ronald Alfred in post #6 here.......

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...s-p-m-brokering-jordan-israel-peace-deal.html

Please pray or meditate on Canada's P. M. brokering Jordan - Israel peace deal?
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...ke-conservatives-job-in-n-s-tougher-1.3095461

Peter MacKay retirement to make Conservatives' job in N.S. tougher

DennisTate · Aug 16, 2015

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis,

In non-linear time the future affects the past, or to be more specific in experiments they've discovered that in a future where a particle is observed 90 times out of 100 the system will evolve towards that future.

I made a thread topic about it a while ago: Quantum time the future affects the past .
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Wgabrie...... one of the reasons why I decided to write to Pope Francis through this discussion forum is because in a sense, Dr. Moses Coady, Fr. Jimmy Tompkins and the Antigonish Movement, were initiated by Roman Catholic theologians who were willing to work with absolutely everybody in my area no matter what their religious background was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Coady

Rev. Dr. Moses Michael Coady (3 January 1882 – 28 July 1959) was a Roman Catholic priest, adult educator and co-operative entrepreneur best known for his instrumental role in the Antigonish Movement. Credited with introducing "an entirely new organizational technique: that of action based on preliminary study" to the co-operative movement in Canada, his work sparked a wave of co-operative development across the Maritimes and credit union development across English Canada.[1] Due to his role and influence, he is often compared to Alphonse Desjardins in Québec. The influence of the movement he led spread across Canada in the 1930s and by the 1940s and 1950s, to the Caribbean, Africa and Asia.
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Theoretically, artistically playing around with possible improvements to The Antigonish Movement, beginning from perhaps 1939, is one possible way to get groups of people to cooperate with other groups through documentary, reality and semi-reality science fiction film projects. I gave one variation on how this could perhaps be done on page 1, post #8 in this discussion.

I was rather hoping that book and film projects, set in 1939, could be used to assist hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands and eventually even hundreds of thousands of refugees to make the move from the Middle East to here in Canada.

http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...ts-take-937-those-syrian-refugees-canada.html
Mr. Justin Trudeau, let's take 937 of those Syrian refugees to Canada?
Mr. Justin Trudeau, I am truly impressed to see that you also met with King Abdullah of Jordan during his recent visit.

For years now I have been thinking that documentary, reality and semi-reality science fiction film projects can be used to address some of the massive problems that humanity is facing.

Hollywood has often dealt with the possibility that many theoretical physicists have postulated, that time itself may not be limited to being one straight line but instead may branch much like the limbs on a tree.

Let's imagine that a moment in 1939 can be recreated and we get to do a retake on Canada's decision regarding the M. S. St. Louis?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis

As the St. Louis was turned away from the United States, a group of academics and clergy in Canada tried to persuade the nation's Prime Minister, William Lyon Mackenzie King, to provide sanctuary to the ship's passengers, as it was only two days from Halifax, Nova Scotia.[12] But, Canadian immigration officials and cabinet ministers hostile to Jewish immigration[who?] persuaded the Prime Minister on June 9 not to intervene.[13]
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Theoretically, we could hire 937 refugees from Syria, who have fled to Jordan, as actors and actresses playing the role of the 937 refugees on the M. S. St. Louis, and we could give them two year contracts with a film production cooperative or company, that would make it easier for them to get through the immigration process.

The nation of Jordan has taken in 1.5 million refugees so perhaps 937 of them can come to Nova Scotia to participate in a practice run at doing things differently this time around.

........(post #6)......

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Actually, I would like to see something along this line done one hundred or even one thousand times and take 93,700 to 937,000 extra refugees from Iraq and Syria into Canada….. but in order to do this many times….. we need to start by doing this at least once!

So many people have left Nova Scotia, to work out west in Alberta, that it would not be difficult to find housing for them!

By extra, I mean over and above the ten thousand that Canada plans to take here anyway over the next three years.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...0-more-syrian-refugees-over-3-years-1.2892652
Canada to resettle 10,000 more Syrian refugees over 3 years
Canada also pledges $90M in humanitarian aid and to resettle 3,000 Iraqi refugees
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DennisTate · Aug 19, 2015

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That's interesting Dennis, I have often thought that even just minimizing the interest rate on the debt could help get it under control. It would just take a really long time to pay it back.

But Dennis, this was from February and now it's August. Did Canada burry the news and now they want nothing to do with it?
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Which brings us over to some ideas in another discussion that we are both involved in.........

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=407875&page=22&p=1065292522#post1065292522

Seriously….. What would it take for a GOD to prove itself? (Part 2)

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"Seriously….. What would it take for a GOD to prove itself?" When he gives the Pope the cure to cancer, then I'll believe. In the mean time, this supposedly all-loving, all-powerful invisible friend in the sky is too immoral and/or too unreal to do that, so of course I can't believe in him.
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Once Pope Francis gets his head fully around Unlimited Financing............... Infinite Money................. in some form..... he will be able to..............."answer all things"..... including cancer?!?!

"For laughter they make bread, and wine that the living may feast: and all things obey money."
Ecclesiastes 10:19
"A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things."

http://www.politicalforum.com/humor...ut-we-assist-jews-get-rabbi-nachman-back.html
Dear Pope Francis...... how about we assist the Jews to get Rabbi Nachman back?
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DennisTate · Aug 19, 2015

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Oh, and by the way Dennis, regarding the most evil person who ever lived...

I think that lady who told you you were a historic villain is crazy. There just isn't a past life for all of us. Why, there are more humans alive today than in all of history combined.

To me you're just DennisTate.
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Thank you Wgabrie............ you are actually tapping into a truly important principle.

Just as each day, according to the Hebrew calendar, ended at sunset............ so also each human life ends at our death.

The Helen Wambach Ph. D. research indicates that within minutes.......... certainly within days of our physical death....... our goals and desires from the physical life are pretty much forgotten and the process eventually begins to plan a new lifetime.............. in which we can honour our Creator and........ assist other humans to come up to a higher level of consciousness...........

The old us....... does actually live on and on and on in some sort of higher dimension of space time........ and it is only a small part of our over soul - human spirit that does something along the line of "reincarnation."

A Pastor Rick Joyner, back in 1995 was given a fascinating visionary dream of heaven in which he was shown something very much along the line of the "Life Review" of near death experience fame.

[6] "For my angel is with you: And I myself will demand an account of your souls." (Baruch 6:6)

http://www.heavennet.net/visions/the-hordes-of-hell-are-marching.htm

(scroll 2/3 of the way down the page and pass the heading......"The Judgment Seat of Christ" by several paragraphs).....

.......I then noticed someone I had known on earth. He had been a faithful believer, but I did not think he had done anything of significance. He was so physically unattractive on earth that it had made him shy. Here he had the same features, but was somehow more handsome than any person I had known on earth. He stepped up to me with an assurance and dignity that I had never seen in him, or anyone, before.

"Heaven is much greater than we could have dreamed while on earth," he began. "This room is but the threshold of realms of glory that are far beyond the ability we had to comprehend. It is also true that the second death is much more terrible than we understood. Neither heaven or hell are like we thought they were. If I had known on earth what I know here I would not have lived the way that I did. You are blessed with a great grace to have come here before you have died." he said while looking at my garments.

I then looked at myself. I still had the old mantle of humility on, with the armor under it. I felt both foul and crude standing before those who were so regal and beautiful. I began to think that I was in serious trouble if I was going to appear before the Lord like this. Like the eagles, my old acquaintance could understand my thoughts, and he replied to them:

"Those who come here wearing that mantle have nothing to fear. That mantle is the highest rank of honor, and it is why they all bowed to you while you passed."

"I did not notice anyone bowing to me," I replied, a bit disconcerted.

"It is not improper," he continued. "Here we show each other the respect that is due. Even the angles serve us here, but only our God and His Christ are worshiped."

I was still ashamed. I had to retrain myself to keep from bowing to these glorious ones, while at the same time wanting to hide myself because I looked so bad. Then I began lamenting the fact that my thoughts here were just as foolish here as they were one earth, and here everyone knew them! I felt both stained and stupid standing before these who were so awesome and pure. Again my old acquaintance responded to these thoughts.

"We have our incorruptible bodies now, and you do not. Our minds are no longer hindered by sin. We are therefore able to comprehend many times what even the greatest earthly mind can fathom, and we will spend eternity growing in our ability to understand. This is so that we can know the Father, and understand the glory of His creation. On earth you cannot even begin to understand what the least of these here know, and we are the least of those here."

"How could you be the least?" I asked with disbelief.

"There is an aristocracy here. The rewards for our earthly lives are the eternal positions that we have here. This great multitude here are those whom the Lord called 'foolish virgins.' We knew the Lord, and trusted in His cross for deliverance from damnation, but we did not really live for Him, but for ourselves. We did not keep our vessels filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit. We have eternal life, but we wasted our lives on earth."

I was really surprised by this, but I also knew that no one could lie in that place.

"The foolish virgins gnashed their teeth in the outer darkness," I protested.

"And that we did. The grief that we experienced when we understood how we had so wasted our lives was beyond any grief possible on earth. The darkness of that grief can only be understood by those who have experienced it. Such darkness is magnified when it is revealed next to the glory of the One we failed. You are standing now among the lowest rank in heaven. There is no greater fools than the ones who know the great salvation of God, but then go on living for themselves. To come here and learn the reality of that folly is a grief beyond what an earthly soul can experience. We are those who suffered this outer darkness because of this greatest of follies."

I was still incredulous. "But you are more glorious and full of more joy and peace than I even imagined, even for those in heaven. I do not feel any remorse in you, and yet I know that here you cannot lie. This does not make sense to me."

Looking me straight in the eyes, he continued, "The Lord also loves us with a love greater than you can yet understand. Before His judgment seat I tasted the greatest darkness of soul and remorse that can be experienced. Though here we do not measure time as you do, it seemed to last for as long as my life on earth had lasted. All of my sins and follies which I had not repented of passed before me, and before all who are here. The grief of this you cannot understand until you have experienced it. I felt that I was in the deepest dungeon of hell, even as I stood before the Lord. He was resolute until my life had been completely reviewed. When I said I was sorry and asked for the mercy of His cross, He wiped away my tears and took away the great darkness. He looked at me with a love that was beyond anything that you can now understand. He gave me this robe. I no longer feel the darkness or bitterness that I knew as I stood before Him, but I remember it. Only here can you remember such things without continuing to feel the pain. A moment in the lowest part of heaven is much greater than a thousand years of the highest life on earth. Now my mourning at my folly has been turned into joy, and I know that I will know joy forever, even if I am in the lowest place in heaven."

I began to think again of the treasures of salvation. Somehow I knew that all that this man had told me was revealed by those treasures. Every step I had taken up the mountain, or into it, had revealed that His ways are both more fearful and more wonderful than I had known before.

Looking at me intently, my former acquaintance continued. "You are not here to understand, but to experience. The next level of rank here is many times greater than what we have. Each level after is that much greater than the previous one. It is not just that each level has an even more glorious spiritual body, but that each level is closer to the throne where all of the glory comes from. Even so, I no longer feel the grief of my failure. I really deserve nothing. I am here by grace alone, and I am so thankful for what I have. He is so worthy to be loved. I could be doing many wondrous things now in the different realms of heaven, but I would rather stay here and just behold the glory, even if I am on the outer fringes."

Then, with a distant look in his eyes, he added, "Everyone in heaven is now in this room to watch His great mystery unfold, and to watch those of you who will fight the last battle."

"Can you see Him from here?" I asked. "I see His glory far away, but I cannot see Him."

"I can see many times better than you can," he answered. "And yes, I can see Him, and all that He is doing, even from here. I can also hear Him. I can also behold the earth. He gave us all that power. We are the great cloud of witnesses who are beholding you."

He departed back into the ranks and I began walking again, trying to understand all that he had said to me. As I looked over the great host that he had said were the foolish virgins, the ones who had spiritually slept away their life on earth, I knew that if any one of them appeared on earth now that they would be worshiped as gods, and yet they were the very least of those who were here!

I then began to think of all of the time that I had wasted in my life. It was such an overwhelming thought that I stopped. Then parts of my life began to pass before me. I began to experience a terrible grief over this one sin. I too had been one of the greatest of fools! I may have kept more oil in my lamp than others, but now I knew how foolish I had been to measure what was required of me by how others were doing. I, too, was one of the foolish virgins!

Just when I thought I would collapse under the weight of this terrible discovery, a man who I had known and esteemed as one of the great men of God I had known, came forward to steady me. Somehow his touch revived me. He then greeted me warmly. He was a man that I had wanted to be discipled by. I had met him, but we did not get along well. Like a number of others I had tried to get close enough to learn from, I was an irritation to him and he finally asked me to leave. For years I had felt guilty about this, feeling that I had missed a great opportunity because of some flaw in my character. Even though I had put it out of my mind, I still carried the weight of this failure. When I saw him it all surfaced, and a sick feeling came over me. Now he was so regal that I felt even more repulsive and embarrassed by my poor state. I wanted to hide but there was not way I could avoid him here. To my surprise, his warmth toward me was so genuine that he quickly put me at ease. There did not seem to be any barriers between us. In fact, the love I felt coming from him almost completely took away my self-consciousness.

"I have waited eagerly for this meeting," he said.

"You were waiting for me?" I asked. "Why?"

"You are just one of many that I am waiting for. I did not understand until my judgment that you were one that I was called to help, to even disciple, but I rejected you."
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Pope Francis........ my wife....... is an amazingly gifted Pentecostal - Charismatic Catholic woman........... who I try my best to understand....... so I read and reread and read over and over...... "The Vision," by Pastor Rick Joyner so that I can have at least some idea of how a Christian can have the level of clear guidance that my wife receives.

You Sir.......... like me.............. may also decide that you need to do some research to better understand the Charismatic Catholic Movement.

For the record......... I am one of the only people who does not fall on the floor when this woman and her friends form a "fire tunnel" and pray for the people who go through it....... My theory on why I don't fall is because of the way I prayed back in 1990, as I made an offer to The G-d of Abraham/ YHWH/ HaShem..... after quoting Isaiah 45:1............... (I explained all of this to Sanhedrin Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander back in 2010, which I gave a link to back on page 1, post #10 here in this thread....).....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi4WksRHXMk
Crying Out for Canada - 1/2 - Faytene Kryskow

DennisTate · Aug 19, 2015

Dear Pope Francis............ Sir........ a few weeks ago I was given one of the greatest responsibilities as well as opportunities of my entire life.

http://www.politicalforum.com/elect...on-brinkley-v-p-2016-presiden-usa-2024-a.html
Dannion Brinkley for V. P. in 2016 and President of the USA in 2024.
Two time near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley has no idea that I am doing this….. but I do believe that when he eventually reads this discussion he will at the minimum seriously consider my offer.

I believe that his Twilight Brigade is one of the most seriously cool charities that has recently been created in the United States.

http://www.dannion.com/the-twilight-brigade/
The Twilight Brigade

The Twilight Brigade is one of the largest end-of-life care organizations, operating as an independent agency within VA hospitals and hospice care facilities across America.

Dannion co-founded The Twilight Brigade in 1997 and is currently the Chairman and CEO. Dannion and the approximately 5,000 volunteers collectively make up The Twilight Brigade and are dedicated to being at the bedside of our nation’s dying, especially Veterans.
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A pretty major motion picture about his life was produced starring Eric Roberts......

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Dannion Brinkley:..."Go for it......Me and thre Donald.....funny…."
https://www.facebook.com/groups/448...22/?comment_id=10152929043165222&notif_t=like
Dannion Brinkley
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Pope Francis........ Sir.............. over a decade ago I got into an online discussion with a major leader in the Satanist community. He claimed to be the world's most famous Satanist. He said that he was also in the British Royal Navy.

As I discussed topics with him along the line of www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
I noticed that for some reason....... i would so often......... spell out "Christ" Cranmer...... as opposed to his real online name..... .Chris Cranmer....... I believe that Dannion's spelling error in his acceptance........ was somewhat inspired and indicates the need for a series of films along the line of "Scrooge" with The Donald.......... meeting The Donald Past, vs The Donald Present, vs The Donald Future?!

I am convinced that America and the whole world can benefit as The Donald faces that darkness within....... that all of us need to recognize and deal with..................... Good Lord in heaven willing????!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a13

wgabrie · Aug 19, 2015

DennisTate said: ↑

Which brings us over to some ideas in another discussion that we are both involved in.........

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=407875&page=22&p=1065292522#post1065292522

Seriously….. What would it take for a GOD to prove itself? (Part 2)
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Well Dennis, I have my own dreams of a society where everything is free and we can all go about doing what we like.

For me that would be to go back to school and learn everything I can.

I was always a little afraid inside that if there were some sort of afterlife that the things we could experience would be limited to what we had experienced in life. After all that's all we know.

But those are just dreams they aren't realistic ones regarding about how the world can work. Our society just couldn't live that way.

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