Declassified: Joint Chiefs approved false flag attack on America

Wow, I hadn't heard of this.

You know, I've never given truthers much of an audience, but this certainly gives some credence to the idea that our government would be capable of such a thing.

 

So much for "Truther do you really BELIEVE that our government would kill its OWN PEOPLE?" (Caps necessary here because the shills talk to you like they are talking to children, it's in their instructions.)

Was not "some members of the government coming up with a weird plan." It was murder of US civilians and sailors, and it was the Joint Chiefs, commanders of the US Army, Navy, and Air Force. Was not just talk, but signed, sealed, and dellivered, presented to the president. President slaps them down. Next year president is murdered.

The last shill talking point: "b-b-but it DIDN'T HAPPEN!" Neither did a recent alleged conspiracy to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge. They are still in jail for life for plotting terrror.

Lemnitzer outght to be dug up from Arlington, a place of honor, and dumped at sea.

Oh dear, truthers are so retarded and refuse to accept reality.

 

What exactly are you addressing in my quote.

 

If you who say there is not a shred of evidence, you really need to get a copy of Loose Change.
It is a fact that kerosene burning in air has ZERO effect on 90k tensile steel. I was a steel fabricator for over 2 decades, and used heat to manipulate steel quite a lot. 1,600f. can't even weaken high tensile steel.
The Pentagon had only ONE entry hole. PROOF that it was NOT hit by an airplane.
Some Harvard science guys found manufactured thermite in soil samples taken from the areas around all 3 collapsed towers. And on and on and on.
The only way one could believe that there is no evidence would be to intentionally avoid knowing.

 

I'm not a conspiracy nut by any means, but if I had to pick an event that looked set up, Sandy Hook was almost to obvious. Check out the main YouTube video on it, people changing their stories on several news interviews, parents laughing without knowing cameras were rolling, supposedly 'dead' girls hanging out with Obama, lead coroner joking and claiming .223 rounds killed the kids when the rifle never made it into the school.

Its almost like a joke. So yes, I think its entirely possible government would use a tragic event for political gains.

 

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....nothing.

Finally!...something we can all agree on!

 

Loose Change???....really?

Fact: Temps in the WTC burned hot enough, just long enough to compromise the strength of the steel.
Fact: Engines were recovered at the Pentagon and eyewitnesses testified to seeing a plane crash into the Pentagon
Fact: No thermite/thermate was found in the WTC...and bomb sniffing dogs used didn't "hit" on any explosive materials at Ground Zero.

FACT: Loose Change has been completely debunked. To quote another, "2006 called, they want their nonsense back."

 

Indeed. Lets do a comparison study to see the differences between the two....

JFK
[video=youtube;JLdA1ikkoEc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLdA1ikkoEc[/video]

Obama
[video=youtube;YKjPI6no5ng]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng[/video]

 

I know I'm not supposed to say this here but, you're an idiot.

"parents laughing..." Have you ever heard of paradoxical laughter?...Why is it you discount the photos showing those same parents grieving and crying earlier in the day?

"people changing their stories..." So, every bit of information that comes out of a chaotic, horrific event is 100% accurate? Reporters and media outlets are in a race to "be first" and sadly, the byproduct is often inaccuracy.

"supposedly 'dead' girls hanging out with Obama..." So, it makes more sense to you that, Emilie Parker just happened to blow it all and get in the photo with Obama rather than, her sister wearing a hand-me-down or wearing a dress that her parents may have purchased the same dress for some family event or photo at a happier time?

"ead coroner joking and claiming .223 rounds killed the kids when the rifle never made it into the school". The Bushmaster 233 was found in the school. The long rifle found in the trunk was an IZHMASH SAIGA CANTA assault styled shotgun.

Please research before you post such crap.

 

The fires were almost out, and even if they weren't, open air fires could never melt steel so completely that it would offfer zero resistance to a falling mass. Jet fuel is only kerosene, and open air fires can't melt steel at all (before you say "it didn't need to melt just get soft," yes it would have to nearly melt to offer zero resistance.)

The joke is that, as one floor collapsed it drove a "chain reaction" which caused the mass to get heavier and and heavier and go faster and faster. What's wrong with that? In a word: Galileo.

Objects of different masses all fall at the same speed through air. An accumulating mass would not accelerate.

In fact as energy is absorbed by the resistance, i.e. the rest of the tower, any falling mass would slow, and stop.

This is the debunk of the hocus pocus on which the official story is based. The official story is for people who can believe that Wile E. Coyote makes a deep hole in the ground when he falls off a cliff, instead of being squashed flat because the ground is much harder than Wile E.

Furthermore, we don't even need to argue if the towers could "collapse" or not. We can see they didn't. They were blown apart in straight, cleanly cut pieces across an area the size of 3 football fields.

please see: "9/11 Truth for Dummies: Wrap Your Head Around One Thing"
http://www.dailypaul.com/299158/9-11-truth-for-dummies-wrap-your-head-around-one-thing
Proof that all objects of different weights fall to the ground at the same speed
[video=youtube;Z789eth4lFU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z789eth4lFU[/video]



Cut Steel Being Hurled Laterally at Speeds up to 80 MPH
[video=youtube;cBTGMhRT_p0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBTGMhRT_p0[/video]

Aerial View, Steel Debris, from BushArchives.org​

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Aerial Veiw, Steel Debris, from BushArchives.org​

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And the US was ready to annex Canada if the Nazis won WW2. Nobody in Canada cares because it didn't happen.

 

Structure fires melt steel. Everything in those buildings on those floors were doused with jet A, and burned out of control.
I am sure you have seen the melted roof of the building usually referenced here... and the bay area bridge fire. It is not the kerosene which produced the temps... it was everything ignited by the kerosene working together. You have to try and understand the (*)(*)(*)(*) in an office building that size. They have lithium battery backup systems to run the entire building in case of power outages... desks, carpet... I mean... structure fires are no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing joke, and without a concrete core... steel buckles.

As to your falling at the same speed suggestion... I don't expect you think that the WTC towers were in a vacuum... right? Cause that is the only way that works. We are dealing giant forces... tremendous tremendous forces.

There were no explosions... thermite doesn't work so well in precision demolition... and of course the amount of time it would take to place explosives at all of the structural points necessary to do such a thing without getting seen... is a serious (*)(*)(*)(*)ing problem. It would take weeks to rig that (*)(*)(*)(*), and you would have to get behind walls and things... it is just not feasible. You guys are going to have to come off of the ludicrous demolition thing if you want rational people on board.

You didn't expect the building to fall that way... we get it.

If anything, we could have orchestrated this plan in the ME, and intelligence failed to warn of what it knew was coming.

If you want to play conspiracy theory on 9/11, you are going to have to chop down the people in on it by thousands and thousands of people for me.

 

oh look the You didn't build that edit that misses the point because the right just lies.....

 

Before Pearl Harbor FDR sent the aircraft carriers out to sea. The Navy then disguised the planes as Japanese and went on to attack Pearl Harbor. Japan got stuck with the blame and the rest is history.

 

Oh HELL yes. The neocon manifesto says that we need another "Pearl Harbor-type event."

 

I am struggling how something from 1962, that was declassified in 1997, that has been in virtually every conspiracy video since 911 is a current event.

 

What?

We... "disguised" planes to look Japanese... and then Naval pilots shot up their own base? That is ludicrous.

First of all... you can't just throw a can of paint on a plane and fool military personelle into thinking it is a completely different TYPE of aircraft. That is ridiculous.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/ph-ja1.htm

 

Because almost nobody knows about it, there was a recent article about it, and now there are accusations that the US is involved in false flag operations in the desert. This all but unknown piece of history loudly counters the belief I have always held that the US "would never consider that" sort of thing.

Could we be tacitly involved in the chemical weapons use in Syria?

We sure as hell let Egypt and Israel play with chemical weapons... gave targeting information to Saddam who we knew full well was using chems, as we facilitated some of it... Gulf of Tonkin, bay of pigs, and this alternative plan to the bay of pigs... forces me to re-examine everything I think I know about my country, and how it conducts itself.

 

Not only is it a lie that hardly anyone knew about this. It has been everywhere and what about a false flag where?

 

There is one abc story about it. I don't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing read infowars. I don't read tabloids with fish men either. I read the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing news, and argue with truthers. This has never once been brought to my attention.

 

If JFK was a rising Senator today who had the same beliefs he had in 1962, he would be seen by the left as what they refer to (usually quite derisively) as a "neo-con."

 

Fact is your junior high level ignorance of simple physics betrays you. Objects of different mass will fall at the same speed in a perfect vacuum. But here on planet Earth, there are about a thousand other factors to consider.

Find someone that weighs just as much as you, have each of you put on identical parachutes, and jump out of an airplane. You and he will have the same mass. He's allowed to pull the rip cord, but you are not. Still think you're going to fall at the same speed?

 

JFK faced not only a security team that clearly defied him(and wanted to go above and beyond NATL. Security interests), but he also faced the threat of Communist Expansionism. The precedent that was set with the first two WW's promoted the necessity of the Cold War tragically. So in that, JFK's "views" as far as foreign policy(if that's what you're referring to) were shaped by the times.

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Kennedy_Domestic_Policy

Domestically, Kennedy was at the Center. Partly due to the difficulties with Southern Republicans, but economically he was wiser and sounder than any other Liberal. Namely, tax cuts! Yet what do we hear from Obama and the other Leftists: That we're not being taxed enough

 

LOL it is so trademark of a shill to pick the most ridiculous examples to try to prove their point. You competely glossed over the fact that we no longer have to argue about how fast the towers "fell" because we can see that they didn't fall at all. They were blown apart. It's obvious that the "free-fall speed" is where you disinfos want to keep the debate, because there is limitless opportunity to blow smoke, like idiocy about parachutes, which is not "negligible differences in air resistance" as with most streamlined falling objects.

So here you go again. If the steel got soft and buckled, why isn't most of it crumpled in twisted heaps at the bases of the towers, rather than cleanly cut in straight pieces flung 2 football fields away? You can even see these pieces being blown out laterally at explosive speeds.

I'm not surprised you don't want to touch this one. Hot hot, burnee burnee.

Cut Steel Being Hurled Laterally at Speeds up to 80 MPH
[video=youtube;cBTGMhRT_p0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBTGMhRT_p0[/video]

Aerial View, Steel Debris, from BushArchives.org​

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Aerial Veiw, Steel Debris, from BushArchives.org​

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FROM "How it Was Done: 9/11 and the Science of Building Demolition"

 

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