Deep blue state wants to teach race to school children; not all parents agree

New Mexico has become the next battle ground for the CRT school controversy. Is NM the next Va flipping from blue to red over school controversies?

 

Get a better source OP.

 

I live in New Mexico and my parents are teachers here. CRT won't get very far in New Mexico. Maybe in the more liberal areas like Santa Fe or Albuquerque, but not the rest of the state. There are still tons of Trump/Pence signs all over around here, and you would be hard-pressed to find even a single Biden sign anywhere...

 

Why do you oppose teaching Jim Crow Laws in school?

 

Oh please.

As long as it’s CNN it’s OK eh?

 

I'm not against the history of race and slavery being taught in school. I am, however, against children being taught that white people today are responsible for it or that they should be ashamed for being white...

 

How do you blame people from today, in a history lesson ?

 

NPR preferably. CNN isn’t really a good source.

So you’re against teaching your Jim Crow Laws. Because that’s how CRT works. CRT is the argument that race identity is institutionalized via laws. To some extent if you actually understood the theory then you would realize that CRT doesn’t actually blame anyone for anything. Just the institutional forces that compel action and behavior.

 

NPR is even more laughable than CNN. They are currently being roasted over an article that it took three of them to write about how neutral emoji's promote white privilege...

 

Um, no one is advocating not teach the history of Jim Crow laws. They have been taught for decades and will continue to be taught. Matter of fact, I'd highlight the chit out of it as history has shown that most bad things for minorities came at the hand of the Democrat party. Just ask anyone which party was the majority to vote against the civil rights act.. I bet they give you the wrong answer as some political persuasion like to repaint history.

CRT is a totally different creature and should be banned from k-12.

 

CRT is explaining how Jim Crow Laws worked to suppress African Americans. That’s what the theory is about. So if you ban teaching how laws create racism, then you ban Jim Crow Laws.

 

I think that if we're going to teach kids about racial issues in America, we should probably wait until they are at least in middle school, if not high school. Elementary school is too young for anything more basic than "treat others nice, even if they don't look like you."

 

That is not the basis of CRT. Not even close...

 

Apparently it's been a while since you've been in school as they were teaching me exactly how Jim Crow laws intentionally suppressed minorities back in the 70's. Every since 66 to the 21st century, most have been moving towards equality. It's just in the last decade that our Democrat friends want to reverse course and create a whole new world of racism.

 

That right there, typical example of how divided we've become. Political affiliation should not be a factor where this issue is concerned.

Personally, I'd be satisfied if we went back to teaching kids how to think.

 

Not really, although CNN is less biased than Fox News. Plus, CNN doesn't outright lie on purpose, and they don't spread misinformation on things that could have dire consequences, like the virus and global warming. Fox is known for doing that. CNN's bias is center left, not far left like MSNBC.

Personally, I don't fully trust any of them.

 

Yes it is. You probably don’t actually know what CRT is. Just what Fox News and Breitbart told you it was.

 

How does it work then? How does it keep black people down?

 

I have no problem with that.

 

You've got to be kidding me?! CNN is as biased as they come. I won't say Fox isn't bias, but to claim CNN is less biased is like saying Joy Behar is intelligent. That's considered an oxymoron. They still think the Steele dossier is their smoking gun!

 

I guess I can take a few minutes to educate you on the four basic tenets of Critical Race Theory:

First, race is socially constructed, not biologically natural. The biogenetic notion of race—the idea that the human species is divided into distinct groups on the basis of inherited physical and behavioral differences—was finally refuted by genetic studies in the late 20th century. Social scientists, historians, and other scholars now agree that the notion of race is a social construction (though there is no consensus regarding what exactly a social construction is or what the process of social construction consists of). Some CRT theorists hold that race is an artificial association or correlation between a set of physical characteristics—including skin colour, certain facial features, and hair texture—and an imagined set of psychological and behavioral tendencies, conceived as either positive or negative, good or bad. The associations have been created and maintained by dominant groups (in the United States, whites of western European descent) to justify their oppression and exploitation of other groups on the basis of the latter’s supposed inferiority, immorality, or incapacity for self-rule.

Second, racism in the United States is normal, not aberrational: it is the ordinary experience of most people of colour. Although extreme racist attitudes and beliefs are less common among whites than they were before the mid-20th century, and explicitly racist laws and legal practices—epitomized by the Jim Crow laws that enforced racial segregation and denied basic civil rights to African Americans in the South—have been largely eliminated, most people of colour continue to be routinely discriminated against or otherwise unfairly treated in both public and private spheres, as demonstrated by numerous social indicators. African Americans and Hispanic Americans (Latinxs), for example, are on average more likely than similarly qualified white persons to be denied loans or jobs; they tend to pay more than whites for a broad range of products and services (e.g., automobiles); they are more likely than whites to be unjustly suspected of criminal behaviour by police or private (white) citizens; and they are more likely than whites to be victims of police brutality, including the unjustified use of lethal force. If convicted of a crime, people of colour, particularly African Americans, are generally imprisoned more often and for longer periods than whites who are found guilty of the same offenses. Many Blacks and Hispanics continue to live in racially segregated and impoverished neighbourhoods, in part because of zoning restrictions in many predominantly white neighbourhoods that effectively exclude lower-income residents. Predominantly Black or Hispanic neighbourhoods also tend to receive fewer or inferior public services, notably including public education. The lack of quality education in turn limits job opportunities, which makes it even more difficult to leave impoverished neighbourhoods. On average, Blacks and Hispanics also receive less or inferior medical care than whites and consequently lead shorter lives.

Third, owing to what CRT scholars call “interest convergence” or “material determinism,” legal advances (or setbacks) for people of colour tend to serve the interests of dominant white groups. Thus, the racial hierarchy that characterizes American society may be unaffected or even reinforced by ostensible improvements in the legal status of oppressed or exploited people.

Fourth, members of minority groups periodically undergo “differential racialization,” or the attribution to them of varying sets of negative stereotypes, again depending on the needs or interests of whites. Such stereotypes are often reflected in popular culture (e.g., in movies and television) and literature as well as in the news media, and they have even influenced the content of history curricula in public schools. Before the mid-20th century, for example, Blacks were widely conceived and depicted as simpleminded, childlike servants and labourers who were content in their subordination to (and segregation from) whites. Later, following civil rights protests in the 1950s and ’60s that challenged the unjust domination of American society by whites, Blacks (and especially Black men) came to be viewed as natural-born criminals prone to violence or as lazy leeches living off social welfare programs paid for by hardworking whites.

So, again, CRT is not solely about Jim Crow Laws, it's about blaming white people. Period. Just read those four basic tenets again...

 

CRT states that race is a made-up, social construct, and that there is no difference between anyone, which of course is bullshit. If CRT proponents think that race doesn't exist, then how can there be racism?

 

I am not really interested in going round and round about what CRT really is yet again. The fact of the matter is that parents are widely upset about the teaching of race in the public schools. It is widely thought that this issue flipped Virginia red.

What do Progressives intend to do about this issue? So far they have adopted the position that parents should have no say in what the public schools teach and those that do are terrorists(!)

Do progressives really want to die on this hill?

 

What do you think passing laws that define where black people can, go, be with, do? I’ll give you a hint. They define what is African American. The “one drop” legal definition from plessey v Ferguson? That’s defining what it means to be African American in a legal sense. I’m going to boil this down to its base components.
1. Laws create race.
2. Laws have an effect on racism.
3. People who make the laws benefit from the laws.
4. Laws further subdivide people based on the needs of the people who can make laws.

this is just a structuralist argument but that’s neither here nor there. That’s pretty complicated to teach to a class who barely understands the concept of a government. So how do you teach it at their level? You simplify the lesson by teaching how it worked in the past using simplified language. In other words, teaching Jim Crow and how Jim Crow worked. Jim Crow defines what it means to be African American. These laws segregate people, ie there is racism. These laws are to the benefit of the white elite in the south who benefit from keeping blacks in line. And this in turn further divided people by dividing poor whites and African Americans against each other.

In other words, teaching Jim Crow is preparing students for CRT.

 

If parents are saying they don’t want to know about Jim Crow Laws and how their own parents were probably really racist? Then yeah they shouldn’t be interfering with school curriculum.