Democrat Union Funding is superior to Republican "Corporate" funding!

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  1. SiliconMagician

    SiliconMagician Banned

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    Why is it we always hear about this terrible fear that "corporations will give so much money to Republicans that Democrats can't compete"


    and yet.. as this article proves. Historically, Democrats have always outspent Republicans.. consistently, thanks to the money tap provided by unions.

    So, even now with the "terrible, awful" Citizens United decision.. union funded Democrats are still able to outspend Republican campaigns.
     
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    The Democrats have also been found guilty of more voter fraud than Republicans.

    I think the two are related.
     
  3. Buzz62

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    LOL...poor Silicone.

    Ya know...maybe Obama raises more money because he's the best choice.

    BTW...he's out-doing the Reps in corporate funding too.

    LOL...poor Silicone...and good-bye Reps...
     
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    I don't think so, we need strong principled opposition to the Democrats.
     
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    PRINCIPLED???

    "He's got 'em." GW Bush

    Just who the hell do you think you're fooling?

    "I am not a crook." RM Nixon

    http://www.realchange.org/gingrich.htm#draft

    Check out the entire article...its a nice showcase for the PRINCIPALS of Newt-Baby...

    "PRINCIPLED"...what a joke...
     
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    The Republicans and Conservatives of America, need to do a lot more than simply dream-up non-negotiable 'principles'. We've seen the effects of them being crafty 'salesmen' or slick 'preachers'... rather than being pragmatic problems solvers and leaders. People are sick and tired of the mindless intransigence and overreaching BS.

    Sure, some foolishness is coming from ALL sides in the present political arena, but it is very clear that the extremism on the "Right", outpaces most everything the "Left" has submitted overall. Something about most on the Right, shows that they are not completely in touch with reality; especially those issues the American middle class is dealing with.
     
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    EXACTLY!

    But ya gotta admit...their "PRINCIPALS" do make them CONSISTENT...
     
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    Silicon,...

    Get real.

    Ever heard of SuperPAC's?!

    Anyways, as far as I'm concerned -- all political campaigns ought to be publically funded.
     
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    Also,...

    Silicon, I've got a question for you: do you think "corporations are people"?
     
  10. Johnny-C

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    You are absolutely correct! We (the American people) need to PUSH for that over the next few months and years.
     
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    But they are only tired of the Republicans holding to the PRINCIPLE of smaller government and less spending money that we don't have. The PRINCIPLE that the private sector is where wealth for the country is produced and poverty for the country is the only thing that the government can produce.

    So whatever the "Right" wants to do is more extreme that Obama asking for $1.2"T" more in debt?

    Producing our own energy resources is more extreme than letting the price of energy -our economy's life blood-sky rocket - as Obama told us it would if he was elected- in the name of MMGW? the more energy we have the stronger our nation become and the liberal horde knows that as well as any thinking person does but the dems want a society of poor dependent people that have to vote for them to keep their government checks coming.
     
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    Only a legal voter eligible to cast a vote for the candidate in question should be allowed to donate to a campaign in any given election, and the amount should be so small that it cannot and/or will not cause favoritism be obtained. No company, club, non-profit, foreign country/citizen, or ineligible voter should be allowed to bribe politicians with campaign contributions, other financial enticements, and/or promises of future employment, etc... etc..., period!!!
     
     
    Lobbying should be done in general assembly, and any backroom deals should be dealt with as a treasonous act. This political party BS has got to stop, all it does is guarantee the best government corporate money can buy, and if you think union money isn't corporate funding you are blind as bat with no head!
     
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    Greatest con ever played. If one party says it's black the other will automatically claim otherwise. It's a good cop bad cop routine, that always ends with the same results. The rich getting richer and the poor working class financing it.
     
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    When Democrats have been found guilty of voter fraud? But there are some scandals of the Republicans that are clear.

    Just I am saying that to my ears no one of Democrats arrived to me while of Republicans a few.
     
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    I'm a UNION guy, and I agree wholeheartedly with this.

    Only (truly) human individuals (not corporations) should contribute period.

    Let's see politicians sign a "Norguist-like" pledge about that!
     
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    I"m telling you guys, it's not as much the campaign funding as it is an ideology of plutocracy/oligarchy = plutarchy. Even if you get rid of campaign funding, they can make all of the backroom deals that they want, because no one watches the watchers.

    If you don't think the world should be ruled by international corporations and bureaucracies then you need to vote for someone who is consistently fighting against this ideology.

    Republican - Ron Paul
    Democrat - Dennis Kucinach

    They're both called "crazy" by the corporatist media for a reason.. Anyone who the mainstream outlets support, they are absolutely grade A corporatists/internationalists.
     
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    If you can answer the exact reasons WHY we export a very significant proportion of the fuel we mine/pump from this land, then we will talk seriously about "our own energy resources".

    The greedy corporate gurus, are playing with our minds absolutely. I support a discrete BALANCE between what government can do for us (protection) and what corporations do (make money). And yes, there ARE some fools who think/pretend that corporations are our "friends"; they aren't... they are merely tools/machines we use within this society. As such, those tools/machines should be REGULATED (even controlled, if necessary) by the GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE. Otherwise... MONEY becomes the POWER that rules us all.
     
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    Yep! Yes! Absolutely! Oh yea!!
     
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    If a Labor Union is considered a legitimate body of people who have a legitimate right to use their money as legitimate free speech, which is the official Constitutional stance on the issue.

    Then Corporations and Employers should have equal rights to do the same.

    That is my stance.

    Since the only amendment I've seen proposed was by a Democrat, and it stripped only corporations of the right to give money to campaigns, while keeping Unions as a legitimate organization able to give unlimited sums, the current status quo is acceptable to me.
     
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    And this why we are in the dilemma we are in today. This is a perfect example of why the two party system doesn't work, should be illegal, and considered detrimental to society as a whole. The answer is NO!! And it is NO for all of the above. The government belongs to the people as a whole, not special interest groups, clubs, religions, guilds, country clubs, or corporations that can come up with the most cash, influence, or leverage (blackmail).
     
     
    You as a politician cannot take the oath of office but pledge your allegiance to a political party. That is a recipe for corruption at it's very core, you might as well have one hand on the bible and the other behind your back with your fingers crossed. It is a deceitful immature playground lie!!! This childish BS of, well if they can do so can we, naaa, na, naaa, na, boo, boo, has to stop someplace.
     
     
    It's that insanity thing again. Continuing to elect corporate stooges that represent the two party scam, expecting different results, is insane.
     
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    Well this is simply impossible. Political Parties are a natural outgrowth of Democracy as people with like minded opinions gather together to influence politics!

    The Founding Fathers didn't like political parties either, but by 1800 they had formed and solidified none the less, forcing the Founding Fathers to create a Constitutional Amendment to deal with the issue, the 12th.
     
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    Doesn't anyone here pay attention. President Obama's campaign is being funded by $3 and $5 donations and anyone who says different is full of bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Well, according to the re-elect Obama committee. No, no big bucks from unions, GE, George Soros, or Hollywood personalities.
     
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    ''''''

    I'll accept that this is your opinion.


    BTW....I do appreciate your linking to the article you offered as "proof". It helped me to believe you were not being dishonest.Many people on these sites tend to offer up complete lies to simply slander opposing political views.

    I think there should be a law against that.

    Wouldn't you agree?
     
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    That is the root of the scam but the parties that are established today, dictate the process, so a minority controls the process while creating the illusion that the majority is actually making the decisions.


     
     
    What I mention above is exactly why the founding fathers were against it. It has a tendency of making a mockery of the actual democratic process the republic needed to maintain it's credibility. That is what is why our government is broken, the corruption within the two major parties, and the fact that the leaders of both parties are in cahoots with one another to assure the system is nothing but a sham/mockery of the government's original intent.
     
     
    There is nothing in the 12th amendment that gives power to political parties or guarantees them any power of any kind. What in the heck are you distorting or taking completely out of context to make that distinction??
     
    The two party system is a sham, a con, a complete scam against the people to protect the small exclusive rich/elite minority. Nothing more and/or nothing less!!!
     

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