I am amazed with a level of hypocrisy of the so-called liberal public. On April, 11, 2011 in Minsk there was an act of terrorism which has killed 15 persons and more than 300 persons has got wounds. It would seem what can be more awful than death of innocent people which have gone down in the Minsk underground. Extreme vermins only can kill people in this way. So these vermins are found and quite deserved shot. What a problem? But it seems, it is not democratically to execute criminals in present time. It is interesting, whether thought terrorists of democracy and the rights of other people to life, when they put a bomb in the underground? It's obviously from the point of view of modern liberals the life of a victim costs nothing, while the whole world must to fight for saving of maniacs lives. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/18/belarus-executes-two-metro-bombing Probably Lukashenko should kiss these guys instead of execution to become the good guy for liberals?
Best news that could have happened if Belarus really wants to change You cannot have a revolution without martyrs . Tough on the kids and their families etc . But that's life .
Agreed. But I take the Guardian with a grain of salt. Is there any direct evidence these guys actually did it that doesn't reek of Lukashenko frame job? I mean who were these young kids, does Lukashenko send out a couple a thugs to snatch some youths off the streets and put a 9mm slug behind their ear and call them terrorists? They must've been involved in some way. Perhaps low level messengers for the terrorists who actually pulled it off? I find it hard to believe that even in Belarus, Lukashenko is so nasty that he would order a bombing on a busy metro as a false flag. Its one thing to plant evidence of an intended bombing,one that State authorities stopped "just in time", but to actually go through with it sounds implausible for any European nation, even Belarus. After all, I thought only we Americans were considered Demonic enough to actually murder our own people for petty excuses.
the liberal medias are smallest of his problem ...your imperialists and oligarchs are far much more dangerous for him , his country and his regime the fresh pic. from Moscow
Everyone know, Moscow imperialism is always bad for Byelorussia. Oh those barbarous muscovites, Golden Horde vassals! While Lithuanian imperialism bore prosperity, freedom and democracy in this region during centuries. So what is you point concerning these executions? Can I assume he should kiss and embrace these guys as potential fighters against probable Moscow occupation?
any imperialism is bad, especially early one, Lithuanian imperialism?WFT? "The Age of Imperialism was a time period beginning around 1870" then i thought "belarusians" ( an ethnic group and part of 1 nation - Lithuanian (litvin) nation ) GDL from XVI century for sure. where did you get education in Chechnya? by the way you are a looser and an e-net worrier who is always off the topic what GDL has to do with your hate towards liberals?
This thread is about expediency of existence of mortal punishment. It is not about Moscovy or Lithuania. So I do not understand yours passage about Moscow imperialism. What attitude it has to terrorists which have blown up a bomb in Minsk? As to my education I have got it at the Saratov state university, the historical faculty. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Саратовский_государственный_университет_имени_Н._Г._Чернышевского My teachers: professor, doctor of history Troitsky Nikolay Alekseevich. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Троицкий,_Николай_Алексеевич professor, doctor of history Stam Solomon Moiseevich, http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Стам,_Соломон_Моисеевич professor, doctor of a history Boruhovich Vladimir Grigorjevich, http://www.sgu.ru/node/50207 professor, doctor of history Tyurin Vladimir Iljich and some other. But where did you get your education mister expert on Moscovy. As you have started to teach me the date of genesis of imperialism I'll remind you, that the process of formation of nations in modern understanding of this word falls at the beginning of a stage of capitalism - XVII - XVIII centuries in Europe. Speaking about the Middle Ages we speak about medieval nationality. In Russian - narodnost (народность. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Народность The medieval nationality is a stage of the existence of ethnos which was in a stage of formation and it was not something homogeneous, keeping vestiges of a primitive society. So GDL was the multiethnic state as well as Russian empire. While formation of the Belarus ethnos was based on the basis of old russian ethnos, Samogitians (Žemaitē and Aukštaitijans had other origin. It is very good that GDL has experience of creation of a multiethnic society, but what it has to do with the topic of the thread and your hatred to the country which you call Muscovy, I do not understand too.
i ve found your post very interesting. "As you have started to teach me the date of genesis of imperialism I'll remind you, that the process of formation of nations in modern understanding of this word falls at the beginning of a stage of capitalism - XVII - XVIII centuries in Europe. Speaking about the Middle Ages we speak about medieval nationality" +1 no needs to remind it to me, i know it back on topic " passage about Moscow imperialism" my point was that the the liberal medias can not hurt Lukas image , reputation. those guys has committed the terrible crime... but Lukas(sh) has a real issue with your pan-imperialists and oligarchs who are far much more dangerous for him , his country and his regime. 2 main differences between Muscovya and GDL was (is) 1)that you have had the state region, we dont ...we have switched regions many times 2)"Форма государственного правления"
So about which 1 Lithuanian nation do you write, if there were no nations at that time? Lukashenko is completely demonized by western mass-media. What damage can add The guardian? We speak about expediency of mortal punishment. Unfortunately the western hypocrisy does not allow to use it such leaders as Lukashenko to protect his society from awful crimes, while nobody cares of death penalties in citadel of democracy - the USA. You continue to troll about Moscow imperialism which ostensibly creates problems for Lukashenko. So I understand that GDL was the Golden Age in your understanding, but I repeat, what it has to do with the topic of the thread? I'll tell to you a little secret. There are no two states in the world which have no differences and are absolutely identical. So what? And what do you mean under the state region? May-be this is typing error and you mean the state religion? Just a curiosity.
Point 1 and last: There are not real proofs that they are guilty, and there is only the confesion obtained under torture.
It does not matter how much carefully was made investigation, there always be persons doubting in the validity of a verdict. But there is one incontestable fact. After the arrest of these guys, there were no explosions more.
we speak about medieval nationality. In Russian - narodnost it was 1 litvin(Lithuanian ) nation agreed, whats about your medias (lets say during the gas or milk war with belarus) your variation of Orthodoxy
You need no a grain but a MAZ of salt to take anything you are brainwashed about Belarus. Let me introduce to you - Belarus or the White Russia Belarus or the White Russia is known to American and Western democrats as the last dictatorship. The democrats hate it and they spend a lot of propaganda, money and all other dirty tools and tricks to remove the last dictator and to liberate the population as they did in Libya. Why is that? The democracies have oil in Libya to grab, what is there in Minsk? You brainwashed to grab Belarus because Belarus is a real treasure. 1. It has a unique ecological system. The climate is one of the best in Europe. Plentiful forests and the cleanest and plentiful rivers and lakes are something which puts a spell on anybody traveling through. There are no environmentalists, no scientists with their electric cars, solar panels and wind mills to pollute and destroy the magnificent beauty of nature. As an example Belarus has the largest in Europe forest harboring the largest in the world amount of bison. If you were a Belurussian would you want democracy with all green technology and renewable energy to destroy that? You have to understand that Byelorussians are different from you, they are not only about quick money to make on biofuel and solar and etc . [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePwEZkcbejs&feature=related"]Belarus Nature - YouTube[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7mF9X3Pu1o&feature=related"]БелоруÑÑиÑ. Дорога БреÑÑ‚ - МинÑк - YouTube[/ame] 2. The Belorussians are generally calm and kind and friendly and hospitable. It is practically impossible to imagine them to turn into democrats with all their zeal and jealousy. American money can split a fraction of the young and deviated bottom but you have a small effect on the whole, because Belarus has a very standard of education, may be one of the highest in the world. In 1547 it was one of very few countries with a printing press and printed Bible. Americans at that time were still living on the trees. 3. As the population is very educated Belarus is a very industrial country. It holds 30% of damp trucks markets as an example. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb97DjlBYGI&feature=related"]Белаз 360 тонн - YouTube[/ame] 4. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn6Mi4DuCUw&feature=related"]Belaz to produce an unmanned dump truck in 2009... - YouTube[/ame] 5. Belurussian off road trucks are very acclaimed and popular and I know many people in the USA who’d like to have one in their garage if it was not for the siege against Lukasheko undertaken by democrats. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVge53reHV0&feature=related"]offroad maz 537 - YouTube[/ame] (Even if agriculture is fractional Belarus still produces twice as much food as it may consume). 6. The capitol of Belarus, Minsk is one of the cleanest cities you can imagine if you can. Other clean cities are all in Belarus also. That’s why not too many Belarussians approve protesters waving EU flags. You saw OWS protesters paid by democrats and shiiting all over the place. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQDC9ifvgDI&feature=related"]Minsk, part 5 - YouTube[/ame] 7. The Architecture of 12-17 centuries are carefully restored and preserved. World’s most acclaimed artists and sculptures were born and educated in Belaruss. I know Americans do not care for art and sculpture, but also some prime ministers of Israel were born in Belarus is another interesting example. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjveockTon0&feature=related"]Minsk / Belarus - БеларуÑÑŒ / МинÑк (22 Timelaps) - YouTube[/ame] 8. have you ever heard “location, location, location”. Ask a real estate agent or a retail store owner. I will skip some other facts which make Belarus so desirable for looting by democracies, but I have to point to the fact that Belurussian girls are not the mostly educated but also the most beautiful girls in the world. Only that makes democracies grind their teeth and hate Lukashenko. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAVYK4bD_t4"]Hot Summer in MINSK 2008 - YouTube[/ame] Imagine you walk down a street and all women are confident and feminine and no feminists. Can you? [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQE9Y49pM_Q&feature=related"]Belarus State Medical University - Mothers day - YouTube[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-t8xjtU2ls&feature=related"]Folklore festival at Belarusian State University. Part 2 - YouTube[/ame]
^"White Russia" you mast be friezed for 40 years, but even back then no one with a brain called belarus´ for "White Russia". Belarussia (Russian transcription) yes, but "White Russia" ....one word - Americans
We, Americans are all like this, in difference from envy, jealous, ignorant and brainwashed non-Russian posters of this sub-forum about Russia. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgGl4UVhKgw&feature=related"]ÐÐÐ ÐеÑнÑÑÑ ÐÐµÐ»Ð°Ñ Ð ÑÑÑ ÑÑ Ð¼Ð¾Ñ.wmv - YouTube[/ame] Need a translation from Belorussian? To what language? Russia is too big to care about Lithuania and other loosers The same is about America, it is too big to care. Lithuanina is owned by us. Proud to be an American.
if you can belarusian you will never call this country for Russia. PS you" Americans"can not control even your own a$$
I'm to disappoint you. You are wishful thinker. GDL was the multiethnic country. So there was no uniform ethnos or nationality under the name Litvin. It's just juggling by terms. There are some hypotheses of the origin of the word Litva, but all of them converge on one fact. This word has come from territory populated by Baltic tribes, presumably from Auktaitija. In the process of creation and expansion of GDL at XIII - XIV centuries, this word have started to be applied for all territories included in the duchy. So the word Litvin have started to be applied for all population of the duchy without paying attention at an ethnic belonging of a person. The word Litvin does not define an ethnic belonging, this word defines citizenship. I hope you know the difference between citizenship and an ethnic belonging? As well as the word Soviet did not define an ethnic belonging, it defined citizenship of a person and united citizens of the USSR of different nationalities under the common term. In this way foreigners use the word Russian for all citizens of Russia, not being cared of real ethnic belonging of every concrete person. The majority of GDL population were representatives of old russian ethnos. This fact even gives the right to some historians to name GDL as alternative Russia. Being citizens of GDL, the Russian population was named Litvins too, as well as all other ethnic groups populated this duchy. But there is one problem. After the disintegration of Kievan Rus', there were created several independent states on its space, which were populated by old russian ethnos. Depending on citizenship they were named: Muscovites, Ryazanians, Novgorodians, and so on. But all of them belonged to old russian ethnos including the slavic population of GDL. The ethnic affinity created a situation in which there were no stable borders between Russian Principalitys, including between GDL and GDM. So at XV century both duchies actively used the practice of enticement of local dukes. Local dukes sometimes changed overlord, becoming vassals GDL or GDM with territories belonging to them. Sometimes this enticement becames a cause of wars. For example so called" artful war " 1492-94". The other fact: in April, 1500 three local Russian dukes of GDL Semion Belsky, Vasily Shemjachich and Semion Mozhaisky have come at Moscow duke's service. In this way GDL has lost about 30 % of its territory while Moscow has got such cities as Nowhorod-Siwersky, Rilsk, Starodub, Gomel, Chernigov and others, without a single shot. These are facts Litwin. Our mass-media sometimes kick him too. But we have one advantage - many Russians have relatives in Belarus. So we can not pay attention to mass-media's cries. As far as I know Belarus church is a part of Russian orthodox church.
