Democrats Cry Crocodile Tears About ‘Our Democracy’ While Trying To Tear It Down

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  1. FatBack

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    Okay buddy that's enough posting on the internet for you..... Do you have a permit for your public use of the first amendment?

    I'm also going to need to see some proof of insurance.
     
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    I’m pretty sure I started that post with his candidacy and went through to the present day and into the foreseeable future.

    No two ways about it; TRaitor tRump is an existential threat to this nation I love.

    I’ve only ever used this “handle” on this board.
     
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    Nobody worships the state or govt.
     
    cd8ed and Hey Now like this.
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    I'm not going to ask you again why murder is wrong because you obviously do not know, but murder is wrong because God said so.

    ...and now you can make your argument about how killing people benefits society. Good luck!
     
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    Murder is wrong because it steals our most precious gift of life AND cannot be reversed.

    Why are you asking me that question? It has nothing to do with the OP or anything I’ve said in this thread. Does it give you some Pyrrhic victory only you understand? You’re the one in need of luck.
     
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    As far as the ACA thing goes, i am disappointed that Trump didn't take it to its logical conclusion(which to me was a double-tier health system, on par with Singapore.). The legislation could've easily been crafted by Congress. But they were too busy with 'Muh Russia' for 2 1/2 years to do anything really. A bunch of wailing, useless scumbags.

    That also includes the wall, wherein Trump gave an offer: DACA approval, for wall spending. It was a deal so far out of right-field that CNBC understood it was something for the left to take advantage of. then-Speaker Pelosi did not take the fruit, and in my view she singlehandedly led us down to the shutdown of 2018 which would end up in what you said happening, using the military funds for the wall.

    All of this, was preventable if the then-speaker of the House was a sane and rational person. She was not.

    Now as far as the Cuban/Mexican thing. I don't think it was Trump's animosity, as much as it is Chinese cheap labor.(see: The muslim concentration camps.). China is using cheap labor, and she is violating our Monroe Doctrine by interfering in the Western hemisphere.
    That to me is not a Trump thing, but Chinese aggression. And China has become emboldened in the region because on both sides, we fail to respond.

    So one response would be to tell Cuba in no uncertain terms that it must reject China's attempt to build a military base along its islands, and for the rest of South America to agree in pursuant to that. If they don't, then we may have to push the Chinese out of the South American territory.

    China is taking advantage of our divisions to advance their interests, we must assert our interests above all else.
     
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    So what? I took a crap this morning and I can't reverse that either.



    Secular huh? I really think you are wrong about that.

    "In God We Trust"
     
  8. Noone

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    I knew I could count on you to come up with a **** answer.
    That’s a platitude on our money for world wide consumption. But, the law we live by, OUR Constitution, specifically spells out that there WILL BE a separation between Church and State. In fact God is only mentioned once in the whole of OUR Constitution; “in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven”.
     
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    that's so wrong it is amusing
     
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    you cannot actually tell us what facts back up your chicken little scenario
     
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    Really? Document a significant number of "Government Worshipers"?
    • From the 1980s until he was elected president in 2016, Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in over 4,000 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts, including battles with casino patrons, million-dollar real estate lawsuits, personal defamation lawsuits, and over 100 business tax disputes. He has also been accused of sexual harassment and sexual assault, with one accusation resulting in Trump being held civilly liable.
    • On December 6, 2022, Trump's company The Trump Organization was convicted on 17 criminal charges.
    • On March 30, 2023, in People v. Trump, Trump was indicted on 34 felony counts by a grand jury in Manhattan. The charges of falsifying business records were related to hush money payments to an adult film actress prior to his election to the presidency. He was arraigned on the charges on April 4 and pleaded not guilty to all counts.
    • Between October 2021 and July 2022 alone, the Republican National Committee paid more than $2 million to attorneys representing Trump in his capacity as President and in his personal and business capacities. The New York Times published an overview of his legal involvements as of September 2022. In January 2023, a federal judge fined Trump and his attorney nearly $1 million, characterizing him as "a prolific and sophisticated litigant who is repeatedly using the courts to seek revenge on political adversaries."
    • Between October 2021 and July 2022 alone, the Republican National Committee paid more than $2 million to attorneys representing Trump in his capacity as President and in his personal and business capacities. The New York Times published an overview of his legal involvements as of September 2022. In January 2023, a federal judge fined Trump and his attorney nearly $1 million, characterizing him as "a prolific and sophisticated litigant who is repeatedly using the courts to seek revenge on political adversaries."
    • Lawsuits involving government entities
      U.S. federal government
    • In 1973, Trump was accused by the Justice Department of violations of the Fair Housing Act in the operation of 39 buildings. The Department said that black "testers" were sent to more than half a dozen buildings and were denied apartments, but a similar white tester would then be offered an apartment in the same building. The government alleged that Trump's corporation quoted different rental terms and conditions to blacks and made false "no vacancy" statements to blacks for apartments they managed in Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island.
    • Representing Trump, Roy Cohn filed a counter-suit against the government for $100 million, asserting that the charges were irresponsible and baseless. A federal judge threw out the countersuit, calling it a waste of "time and paper". Trump settled the charges out of court in 1975 without admitting guilt, saying he was satisfied that the agreement did not "compel the Trump organization to accept persons on welfare as tenants unless as qualified as any other tenant".
    • In 1988, the Justice Department sued Trump for violating procedures related to public notifications when buying voting stock in a company related to his attempted takeovers of Holiday Corporation and Bally Manufacturing Corporation in 1986. Trump agreed to pay $750,000 to settle the civil penalties of the antitrust lawsuit.
    • In 2001, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission brought a financial-reporting case against Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts Inc., alleging that the company had committed several "misleading statements in the company's third-quarter 1999 earnings release". Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts Inc. consented to the commission's cease-and-desist order, said the culprit had been dismissed, and that Trump had personally been unaware of the matter.
    • New York
    • In 1985, New York City brought a lawsuit against Trump for allegedly using tactics to force out tenants of 100 Central Park South, which he intended to demolish together with the building next door. After ten years in court, the two sides negotiated a deal allowing the building to stand as condominiums.
    • In 2000, Donald Trump paid $250,000 to settle fines related to charges brought by New York State Lobbying Commission director David Grandeau. Trump was charged with circumventing state law to spend $150,000 lobbying against government approval of plans to construct an Indian-run casino in the Catskills, which would have diminished casino traffic to Trump's casinos in Atlantic City.
    • New York Attorney General lawsuits
      Further information: New York investigations of The Trump Organization
      On December 20, 2021, Trump filed a lawsuit against New York Attorney General Letitia James in the United States District Court for the Northern District of New York[37] over her ongoing civil investigation into potentially unlawful inflation and deflation of property values where it was best suited to avoid tax liability and gain other financial benefits by The Trump Organization.[38] Trump sought a permanent suspension of the investigation, which has been proceeding for over three years, because he alleged it was being used as a political tool to harass and intimidate him, his business, and his family through unwarranted subpoenas and aggressive public statements made by James both in her official capacity and personal capacity. James' office denied these claims, and in a separate statement accused Trump of using "over two years of delay tactics" through the courts to obstruct the investigation's progress. On January 10, 2022, Trump filed a motion for a preliminary injunction to prevent the New York Attorney General from continuing her investigation until a final judgement on his complaint had been made, arguing her inquiry was entirely baseless. James moved to dismiss the suit on January 26, stating that Trump is a "state-court loser" seeking to bypass the legal process in the state through federal court. On January 20, 2023, Trump's lawyers withdrew the suit. The same judge, Donald M. Middlebrooks, had just fined Trump and his attorneys almost $1 million for filing a "frivolous" defamation lawsuit against Hillary Clinton.

      James has subpoenaed Trump to produce documents in connection with her investigation into the Trump Organization. On April 25, 2022, New York Judge Arthur Engoron found that Trump did not comply with the subpoena and declared him to be in civil contempt of court. He said Trump would be fined $10,000 per day until he complies.[44]

      In November 2022, Trump sued James in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida to block her access to the records of the trust he set up to hold his companies when he became president, the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust. Judge Donald Middlebrooks denied his emergency motion for a preliminary injunction. On January 20, 2023, Trump withdrew the lawsuit. The same judge had just fined Trump and his lawyer almost $1 million for filing a racketeering lawsuit against Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee.
    • Trump University litigation
      Main article: Trump University § Allegations of impropriety and lawsuits
      In 2013, in a lawsuit filed by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, Trump was accused of defrauding more than 5,000 people of $40 million for the opportunity to learn Trump's real estate investment techniques in a for-profit training program, Trump University, which operated from 2005 to 2011.[47][48][49] Trump ultimately stopped using the term "University" following a 2010 order from New York regulators, who called Trump's use of the word "misleading and even illegal"; the state had previously warned Trump in 2005 to drop the term or not offer seminars in New York. Although Trump has claimed a 98% approval rating on course evaluations, former students recounted high-pressure tactics from instructors seeking the highest possible ratings, including threats of withholding graduation certificates. In addition, the high reviews were solicited before the courses ended, when the students still anticipated receiving benefits that ultimately never materialized. Subsequently, more than 2,000 students sought and received course refunds before the end of their paid seminars.

      In a separate class action civil suit against Trump University in mid-February 2014, a San Diego federal judge allowed claimants in California, Florida, and New York to proceed; a Trump counterclaim, alleging that the state attorney general's investigation was accompanied by a campaign donation shakedown, was investigated by a New York ethics board and dismissed in August 2015. Trump filed a $1 million defamation suit against former Trump University student Tarla Makaeff, who had spent about $37,000 on seminars, after she joined the class action lawsuit and publicized her classroom experiences on social media.Trump University was later ordered by a U.S. district judge in April 2015 to pay Makaeff and her lawyers $798,774.24 in legal fees and costs. Donald Trump was found to have defrauded students, and was forced to pay $25 million in restitution.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump


    And that only scratches the surface, I had to cut a BUNCH to get within post size" limits.
     
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    most of that crap was after he was out of office. this list looks like something cut and pasted from some Democrat propaganda center , what did any of the stuff he did in office harm you
     
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    No, read it, much of it was before and during his time in office. :roll:
    But the point is clear, tRaitor tRump has lived a life of legal disaster. Which! With much legal maneuvering he has skated by. Until now.
    Wuuuut? What did his serial crime spree do to hurt me? I'm insignificant but his crimes threatened the very existence of the Constitution of These United Sates. That hurt's me directly AND the Nation that I love.
     
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    smart people worry about what was going on in the USA during an administration. compare Trumps time in office with Senile Joe and there is no comparison. Biden is a complete failure
     
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    No, Biden is "LEADING" our nation, and doing a good job of it. TRaitor tRump was fleecing our nation with the intent of undermining it sufficiently to allow him to declare himself dictator.

    Give it up ... MAN! TRaitor tRump is indefensible.
     
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    yeah let's look at his leadership

    1) a war in Europe that shows no signs of ending

    2) gas is twice the cost of what it was when Trump was in office-at one time it was close to 3X the cost

    3) crime is running rampant in democrat run areas as woke DAs that Biden supports, are doing nothing other than howling for gun bans while letting violent criminals roam the streets

    4) inflation is a pernicious cancer attacking the wealth of all Americans.

    5) Biden is a pawn of the PRC and its allies in the USA like Bloomberg and Soros
     
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    "Leading our nation". Lol, the president is only leading certain folk that like being led. He certainly is Not leading "The Nation".

    Hey- Noone, I thought you said you were ruled by "The People"?

    You probably think our presidents are elected into office...
     
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    Our constitution says that?

    Bullsxxx. Point to it.
     
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    1) The war in Europe was started by Russia and Putin. The enemy of the United States and butt buddy of tRaitor tRump.

    2) Gas has come way down since it's post pandemic high. No, it is NOT twice the price when tRaitor tRump was in office.

    3) We have a murder problem in America — especially in red states
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...-problem-in-america-especially-in-red-states/


    4) Inflation is way down from it's post pandemic high.

    5) So you say, but offer no proof just YOUR opinion.
     
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    President Biden AbsaByGodLutely IS leading OUR Nation. No longer are we living tRaitor tRumps LIE of the day.

    OUR Constitution is BASED on "RULE by THE PEOPLE".

    Yes, "I" do believe President's ARE elected, how do you think they attain office. Do they steal it? Like tRaitor tRump tried to?

    "The United States Constitution does mention God. In Article VII, the Constitution states:

    Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the twelfth…."
    https://currentpub.com/2011/05/31/the-u-s-constitution-and-the-year-of-our-lord/

    8)
     
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    states don't commit murder here in the USA-individuals do-and most murders are committed by people who vote Democrat. Democrats love inflation since they represent the debtor class
     
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    Gotta love a true Biden worshipper.
     
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    Then you follow him.

    Us Americans will follow the principles laid out in the Declaration of Independence, which is the founding document of this country, the document our current constitution is based on, and the document that provides context to our constitution.

    You just keep enjoying be ruled over by "The People".
     
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    No, you are not going to weasel out of this so easy. You said-

    So are you going to fess up and admit that our constitution does not say such, much less specifically, or are you going to double down on your folly?

    "If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit"
     
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    Oh right, I almost forgot.

    Our presidents are appointed by an oligarchy. Your vote for president means almost nothing.
     

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