Democrats to unveil 2 articles of impeachment Tuesday morning

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean releasing aid within the legal timeline?
     
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    The articles are so broad that they’re meaningless.
     
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    Ok, so I did a bit of research. And there are only 5 presidents who failed to win re-election since 1900. So you are really restricting the pool of potential candidates and it does make sense that presidents who are running for re-election when the economy is contracting are less likely to win.

    With that said, it appears that George HW Bush did fail to win re-election while the economy was expanding.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/PCRkA6u7YL4WVXAf7
     
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    Released after he got caught.
     
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    When GHW was running it was just at the start of an expansion. There wasn’t enough time for him to get credit. We had already contracted and been in the trough since June of 1990. Recovery started around March of 1991.
     
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    So...like 20 months before the election?
     
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    Yes, see the spike hits around 1993. Your at the top of the peak. Or near it. That when the voters will feel it. Your charts does show that the country has had economic success from both parties. Even the current one which is now the longest in recorded history was started in 2009.

    Nice find.
     
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    Here's more:

     
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    Assumption, all you have.
     
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    Based on what the Dems have done, a presidential veto can be considered an "obstruction of congress".

    This is so ridiculous.
     
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    Sure thing. And I think your historical note should also be evaluated from the flip side. Are there any Presidents who managed to win re-election during an economic contraction?

    But either way, I still think that it is worthwhile to note that impeachment is unlikely to result in any significant backlash against the Democrats. The inquiry itself is supported by a majority of voters and his outright removal is supported by a plurality. Add to that the fact that trump has never gotten more than 50% approval and the vast majority who disapprove of him are so hardened that they already place themselves in the "will never support" camp.

    I get the argument that impeachment cant be the only talking point and that's one of the reasons Democrats wanted to finish this in the house by Years end. It allows them to supplement the message during the election year with economic and healthcare related messages and accomplishments.
     
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    It is ridiculous, which is why no one believes that a veto is an obstruction of congress.
     
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    Says the guy assuming he released it without taking into account the fact that Congress learned of the whistleblower complaint two days prior.
     
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    Wrong!

    There were only TWO counts against Clinton!
     
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    WRONG.
     
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    That is worth reading in it's entirety because it lays out the FACTS and the CASE against the BLOTUS in Constitutional terms that anyone can understand.

    In essence if the Senate refuses to support the House then it condemns itself to an INFERIOR role to the Executive Branch in violation of the Constitution. There can be only one reason for doing so and that is partisan loyalty to the BLOTUS by VIOLATING their own Oath of Office to uphold the Constitution.

    To put it bluntly the BLOTUS has put the GOP Senate between a rock and a hard place.

    Everything the BLOTUS is charged with is SELF INFLICTED and to acquit him of those Articles of Impeachment is to aid and abet the BLOTUS's High Crimes.
     
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    Wrong, as always!

    The Ukrainian phone call is cited in the Articles of Impeachment against your BLOTUS!

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6572303-Articles-of-Impeachment.html

     
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    Wrong!

    Impending Articles of Impeachment against you BLOTUS is what the left has now.
     
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    Everyone who votes AGAINST the Articles of Impeachment effectively VIOLATES their Oath to uphold the Constitution.

    Not a good thing to have on your voting record going into an election.
     
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    More evidence of thin gruel desperation!
     
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    There is already BIPARTISAN SUPPORT for the Impeachment vote in the House!

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/trump-impeachment-congress-list.html

     
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    The idea that Trumpists are clinging to Durham, begs the question:

    What Rabbit Hole are they going to go after if Durham craps out?

    And, back to the OP:

    Even with Zero Chance of Conviction, Trump DESERVES to go down in History as an IMPEACHED President.

    The First Elected President EVER to be Impeached in his 1st Term.

    What a BLACK Mark on Trump's History
    .:smh:

    I wonder if they kept his seat warm on The Apprentice?
     
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    One hundred plus of those months all thanks to Obama!
     
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    The BLOTUS is a black mark on the Office of the Presidency and an indelible stain on the reputation of the nation as a whole.

    Will he end up as the FIRST Oval office occupant to be removed by the Senate remains to be seen but that would go a long way towards bleaching out those stains of his IMO.
     
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    You mean the tepid economy Obama said needs a magic wand?
     

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