Derek Chauvin stabbed by inmate in federal prison, seriously injured

Only in certain situations, like going through security at a courthouse or at an airport. But in the public, they cannot unless they have permission from said person. The Stop and Frisk was abolished by the Supreme Court not too long ago. If you are arrested, and the police have PC, then yes, they can, but that is an entirely different scenario than a police officer coming up to you and begins to pat you down for weapons or drugs. That would not be a proper search and thus unreasonable.

 

You do not have to be arrested for police to do a general pat down search for weapons.

Seeing as you perceive yourself to know so much about the law you should know what a Terry frisk is

 

Police do not need permission to do a pat down as Fat back points out. If they feel an object, they can inspect it and remove it.

And again: If the arrest is improper, that's for the courthouse. You don't resist arrest.

If they'd rolled him on his side, they'd all have walked.

 

By the time Chauvin arrives, PC is already present.
That doesn't mean he can tag a conviction, that means he has PC for an arrest.
You don't understand PC isn't anything like 'if i've got this you're getting convicted'. It doesn't have to be anything like that sure.

Again: The arrest was proper, only the use of force was improper and only because they had reason to suspect him of being doped up and were trained not to do what they did.

Penn v Mimms works because its a case about an arrest and when it is proper for a cop to yank you out of the car and search you.
Its the minimum, and it fits.

 

Go watch the trial, it was admitted along with the rest of the body camera footage, and the witness Chauvin spoke to testified.

You're the one complaining about it: Tell the class why the Court excluded it.

Yes it literally does. When you say something out of court and you intend what you say to be evidence of something: THATS HEARSAY.

AND UNSWORN TESTIMONY ABOUT YOUR DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OFFERED FOR THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THE LITERAL ****ING DEFINITION OF HEARSAY DUDE.

And testimony about something you SAID or was SAID TO YOU AT TRAINING, when you're not in a sworn proceeding like a deposition or a trial, is hearsay.


Sure: Objection, Hearsay outside any exception.
Sustained.
Motion to strike.
Sustained.

Done and done.

 

Hey fatback. Excuse my late arrival but do you have any details on the perp who did the stabbing? It's a long thread and iWas hoping you could provide me with a quick summary of that aspect...

 

per the words of the perp:
He told federal prosecutors he chose that day to attack Chauvin, the day after Thanksgiving commonly known as “Black Friday,” to symbolize the Black Lives Matter movement and the “black hand” symbol of the Mexican mafia.

 

I did watch the trial and the body cams and I watched the documentary with the other officers involved and their testimonials and you simply cannot refute what they present They offer their DIRECT testimonials as to the training their recieved and the statements made in court. Refute them........

 

You mean the Mexicans and blacks showing solidarity in the pen?

 

I interpreted it as 2 different things. The mexican mafia happens to have a black hand as a logo (not the same logo as the black panther fist) and black lives matter starts with the word BLACK) and he did it on BLACK friday. I didn't read any correlation between the mexican mafia and BLM.

 

YES his lungs could not function to exchange the CO2 building up in his system for O2 because the heart and aorta's could not effectively pump the blood through it. He could breath and move air there was simply no movement of the blood through his lungs as his heart and pulmonary system failed due to his own health condition and his own ingesting of a fatal does of drugs and his own struggling with the police. Yes the officers were following that training using the MRT you can hear them agree to start using because Floyd was acting so erratically, fighting with them and trying to harm himself WHILE AT THE SAME TIME securing the area so the EMT's could arrive and begin treatment while the aggressive and threatening crowd continued to surround them. Getting him to remain motionless WAS THE GOAL so that he could not hurt himself. He had already calmed down and the become violent again on them and they were not going to allow that to happen again.

And that IS their training the perimeter is more important than the person on the ground.. As it was the crowd had grown so aggressive the EMT's when they did arrive could not start treatment immediately and instead had to load him into the ambulance first and drive blocks away to a safe zone.

And GO WATCH THE DOCUMENTARY which proves how the autopsy was changed and manipulated by the DA's office and the ME because they didn't want the city to be burned down if they told the truth.

 

Not necessarily BLM and Mexican mafia but more like mexican and black sharing a common pain. It's America's worst nightmare for those two communities to unite.

 

There was NOTHING improper about the arrest that is total garbage. They had complete probable cause over the fake bill with the store owner pointing Floyd out as the perpetrator. While trying to detain him and place him under arrest he resisted that arrest. Then during the detention they found drugs in the car.

 

Then you saw the bit about Chauvin telling a witness at the aftermath that he had to do what he did because Floyd was on the dope. Admitting the key fact that put him away. Like a dumbass.

The documentary is 100% hearsay. I don't have to refute it, its not evidence offered at trial.

Additionally: Received.

Further: Another poster has already shown the manual. IDK what you're ****ing arguing about at this point. Your blue friend did a bad thing and now he's not blue anymore.

 

It was my dawg D money in cell block 6.... He be a hard-ass cracker. He heard this pig was a chomo and he decided he would do wuz up !

 

Uhh no actually, the ruling of the autopsy did not indicate drug's as a primary factor, we have multiple autopsies from both public and private medical sources, as well as testimony under oath from said medical sources. I don't know where you heard that drugs were the primary cause, but it definitely wasn't from any of the medical experts who actually examined Floyd.... and again, the use of force is not an indefinite justification, the officers may have been justified to use force when Floyd was conscious and putting up a fight, but they definitely were not justified or following their training in using said force against Floyd as he fell unconscious, as he stopped breathing, and as he stopped showing a pulse. As for the notion that the crowd was a threat.. if true, that might be a justifiable argument for using force against said crowd, but it definitely would not be justification for using force against Floyd's unconscious body as he passed away in their custody.. and it makes absolutely no sense to say they needed to maintain force on Floyd's unconscious body to deter a supposed threat from the crowd, that is an extremely doltish notion

I think this discussion here speaks for itself, and anyone who reads through this thread can see how nonsensical the arguments you're presenting in this thread are.

 

Ahh yes actually and you keep falling back on the autopsy that was released which has been totally refuted and the new evidence shown in the documentary proves it was altered to fit the story the DA and mayor wanted.

Here for the OFFICIAL

Official Autopsy Report: George Floyd
Research
December 04, 2023
The official autopsy report of George Perry Floyd (DOB 10/14/1973). The autopsy was conducted by Hennepin County Medical Examiner Andrew M. Baker (M.D.). Dr. Baker conducted the only official autopsy of George Floyd on May 26, 2020 at 9:25 a.m., 12 hours after Mr. Floyd had died. The official autopsy report was published on June 1, 2020 and includes toxicology results.

Note: The official autopsy report does NOT state a cause of death. The word “homicide” was not written anywhere in the official autopsy report.

https://drive.google.com/viewerng/v...xaminer/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf&wmode=opaque

In particluar

NECK: Layer by layer dissection of the anterior strap muscles of
the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage within
the musculature. The thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone are
intact. The larynx is lined by intact mucosa. The thyroid is
symmetric and red-brown, without cystic or nodular change. The
tongue is free of bite marks, hemorrhage, or other injuries.
The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of
hemorrhage.

And your family autopsy where Biden says there is no physical evidence of neck compression or asphyxiation he is only relying on the one video shot? Spare me.

Watch for yourself start at 37:30

The ME met with the prosecutors the day of the autopsy and gave this report





And a few days later meeting again with prosecutors



And then about the toxicology report




https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/watch

I have already refuted the claims you are making, the officers had no duty to move Floyd again he was EXACTLY where they wanted him and acting as the wanted him to act so that he could not continue to fight and hurt himself. He had already stopped and then started again, he already had his chance twice to be sitting in a police vehicle. You keep using the word "force" they were merely restraining his movements to keep him still. HE forced his way to the ground so that was where he would be detained until medical arrived. And apparently you did watch the trial where they went over the police training in just such a situation with a belligerent crowd.

Did you not watch the EMT's testify as to why they did not start treatment immediately but instead loaded Floyd into the ambulance and had to drive several blocks away and pull over and THEN start treatment?

 

Which witness and give me a link to EXACTLY what they claim Chauvin said and when he said it.

False again and it discusses the evidence at trial and new evidence that has turned up. You won't view it because you're afraid of what it will show you.

B. Maximal Restraint Technique – Safety (06/13/14)
1. As soon as reasonably possible, any person restrained using the MRT who is in the prone position
shall be placed in the following positions based on the type of restraint used:
a. If the hobble restraint device is used, the person shall be placed in the side recovery position.

Floyd was never put in a hobble device the officers decided they had him calm on the ground where they could best control him as they were.

 

Do you not see the one about overexertion being the reason police departments don't use this hold on these sorts of suspects? FFS

 

Pay my hourly and I'll consider taking marching orders from you. Other than that: You can go check the scoreboard chief.

Any unsworn out of court testimony offered for its truth is by definition hearsay.
Even sov cits can grasp that definition dude. Seek help.

Again: Testimony was they were to roll his ass on his side so he didn't stroke out. They didn't, he stroked out just like they were trained would happen. Reckless homicide IE murder 2.
Continue to be quite mad about it.

 

That's a fake report that has been circulating since earlier this year. The full autopsy was released to the public three years ago, there has been no new evidence brought forward, or new information released since it's full release three years ago, any reports claiming that his autopsy was released in 2023 are fake. You can literally watch the testimony from the medical sources discussing his autopsy, including his toxicology report, and his cause of death. The primary cause of death is and always had been cardiopulmonary arrest caused by "subdual, restraint, and neck compression" (note, it does NOT say neck contusion or hemorrhage, and never did)

George Floyd’s autopsy report is not new, does not say he died of an overdose

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961


No Change in George Floyd’s Cause of Death, Despite Viral False Claims

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/n...ds-cause-of-death-despite-viral-false-claims/

 

If there is something you want to show then show it.

That's from the training manual. It is not hearsay. Your assertion that ANYTHING outside the courtroom is hearsay is absurd that is not what is hearsay. Hearsay is someone testifying to a STATEMENT someone else made out of court.

The testimony by the chief was false as those in the documentary all give testimonials too and show with the actual training manuals. I cited from the training manual. They had no obligation to put him on his side their concern was keeping him restrained on the ground where he could no longer struggle with them and they keep the crowds at bay until the EMT's arrived. But Floyd was ALREADY a dead man, he was in pulmonary arrest, his heart and pulmonary system could not effectively pump blood through his lungs.

 

It says like all OD the drugs in his system were a lethal does and cannot be discounted as such. That is the original autopsy report, not the statements released after the prosecutors and mayor got to the ME and the riots had begun. Yea I know what the ME ultimately testified to and it is belayed by his original report and his first meeting with the prosecution. NO DAMAGE to the neck, NONE, no bruising, no contusions, no crushing, NO evidence he was suffocated by the officers. His existing horrible health conditions, the drugs he ingested and the struggle in which he engaged is what killed him, nothing the officers did nor contributed. Listen to the defense witnesses which refuted the ME's pressured testimony to meet the narrative the prosecutor and mayor wanted.

 

You're presenting a false argument that the autopsy did not state a cause of death, even though it did, and that cause of death was not a drug overdose. We have an autopsy report, in addition to the testimony under oath on his toxicology report and his cause of death. The claims that Floyd's primary cause of death was drug related do not come from any of the medical sources that examined Floyd's body whatsoever. Period

You're also presenting a strawman argument that Floyd did not die of a neck injury... but literally nobody is saying he died from a neck injury. The cause of death was cardiopulmonary caused by "subdual, restraint, and neck compression". That does NOT mean he died of a neck injury... nobody claimed he died of a neck injury, or that he sustained a neck injury. The inclusion of the phrase "neck compression" does not mean neck injury, it merely means the pressure on his neck (as well as his body) was restricting his pulmonary(lung) function. Again, it does NOT mean neck injury. Your argument that he did not die of a neck injury is completely meaningless, because nobody is saying he died from a neck injury. If you don't understand the difference, that is a fault in your own comprehension of the medical report, and not the medical report itself.

 

What a glorious day it was.
Your boy ain't going nowhere.



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