DeSantis: Democrats’ plan to hire 87,000 IRS agents a 'middle finger to the American public'

When discussing Florida’s new plan to hire more teachers this week, Gov. Ron DeSantis described the Biden administration’s plan to hire 87,000 IRS agents as giving “a middle finger to the American public.”


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Florida Governor De Santis is exactly right in his reported comments about what democrats are doing by increasing the size of the IRS. They are targeting small businesses and the middle class with this effort. Florida’s plan to fight back and protect its citizens from federal overreach is great and all red states need to emulate it

 

This is purely election meat. Not really any teeth behind it.

 

Way to go Gov. De Santis! Give the federal regime and its voters court own middle finger in their faces in return. The Florida plan is great and that it protects against viewpoint discrimination is the best part followed by tying up all their new resources in litigation if they meddle to much in red governed states

 

There’s more to it than you recognize in my opinion. Every IRS resource used to deal with the protections states give their citizens from them is less time and resources they have to target small businesses and middle class individuals. Since the IRS is determined to hire all these new resources, red states need to create more bureaucratic hurdles and paperwork for them to do so that it neutralized to some effect the power of the new hires to eff over the states citizens. If agents have to deal with accountants and lawyers from the various states on a regular and defined basis it gives them less time to mess with people like me in those states

 

Is this the fifth thread on the subject of IRS funding in this forum?

That being said, this is the typical fear tactic by the GOP. As discussed in other threads, the IRS currently has 75000 to 77000 current employees ranging from mail clerks to the Commissioner of the IRS. 50% of those are going to retire in the next five years. The investment is to replace the retiring workers and hire an additional net of 20000 employees so that the IRS can do its job and mission statement authorized by Congress. Sure, some will be Agents, some will be special agents, but most will be support personnel.

Have you attempted to call the IRS Customer Service line? You will be lucky if you are on hold for an hour. Sometimes it's longer, depending on the reason for the call. So, it is needed if you want to maintain the current tax compliance system.

 

It's difficult for any state to actually control the federal government and its agents. Hopefully this will somehow work. At least they are trying.

 

This is part 2 here and needs a separate reply.

What the CFO is doing is not really helping the small businesses in Florida with audits, he is overtly trying to circumvent audits by giving an easy way out, at least to the average business owner by claiming this nonsense. So, let me give you an example.

First, a small business owner files their business tax return. It does not matter whether it is Schedule C, F 1065, F1120 or F1120S. They report income and deductions on their retail business located in place X, they rent, have inventory, etc. The retail business does less than $1 per year in gross revenues from cash and credit card receipts. They receive some information returns to report their income but it does not exactly match the income reported. Of the deductions, they have 23% of deductions for traveling, another 18% for legal fees, and 19% for contractor services in which no information returns correspond to the TIN of the business. Their gross profit is 34% and their net profit is 2%. Now, in this scenario, the return may be selected for audit due to questionable items on the return. In that audit, bank records will be asked or subpoenaed to verify income and deductions. This will include both personal and business if the business return is attached or flows through the personal return.

Would you say he is targeted for political reasons? Or for legitimate audit reasons? What if the owner is the nephew of the governor? Is that a political or still a regular audit?

I can come up with a dozen or more different scenarios if you want. But the gist is how will the CFO determine if it is audited by the audit process.

The financial institutions will not have to comply with the state requirements, and that may be an extra charge on business accounts and/or personal accounts.

Second, IRS agents do not need permission from the state to access certain finances. The law is clear under the subpoena power of the federal government and the IRS mission statement.

Finally, the legal fund may sound nice, but again, how do you prove political motivation? Guilty by association?

 

They can't with IRS agents obtaining that information. IRS agents have the ability to look at whatever is filed and maintained by the IRS computer systems. this includes any information returns either received or filed by the person or company. They do a request for obtaining bank statements and can use the subpoena power to do so if the company or person refuses to cooperate. Under IRS audit rules, the person must prove their deductions and credits on the return in question during the audit while the IRS must prove income on the return in question during the audit if there is a need to prove income. If the person does not cooperate and information returns account for 90% of the income reported on the return, the Agent may just deny the deductions and move on after two attempts to obtain the information from the person or company that is being audited.

But then again, the CFO is not going to tell that because that will negate most of what he is trying to do. This is just smoke and mirrors to get the Trump base on his side.

 

Yes, most federal agencies are above the law, not just the IRS

 

They follow the law, federal law. IRS is a federal agency. Now, IRS agents can get into trouble with their job if they are stopped for DUI or other state crimes, but when it comes to audits, even in states with a state income tax, they have broad subpoena power given to them by Congress, which means that the State of Florida cannot impede their investigation or processes set forth by Congress. We call this jurisdictional grounds in simplistic legal terms.

It is quite obvious that the CFO has never been through an IRS audit or knows it processes with his proposals, especially the certification. All IRS agents must have at least 15 hours of accounting, preferably an accounting degree. Some are licensed CPAs or attorneys in the state where they live, but cannot practice privately if they obtain such licenses while working for the government. The conflict of interest clause.

Like I said, in my example, there is at least two, and possibly one questionable items. If it is questionable per IRS standards on what was reported to the return, then how is that political?

 

As if a plutocratic socialist like Gov. Ron DeSantis cares about the middle class.
The same hate-America-first politicians, like DeSantis who falsely claim that IRS law targets the middle class, are some of the same lying politicians who are lying about the election being stolen from the Wannabe Dictator Donnie Trump, the same lying bigots who claim CRT is being taught in primary and secondary schools and President Obama was born in Kenya, or some of the same poorly educated politicians who falsely allege wearing masks is “COVID theater” and “not doing anything.”
Yellen instructs IRS not to increase audits on middle class with new funding
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy...-not-increase-audits-middle-class-new-funding

 

Dems should call republicans bluff and exempt income under 250k from audits lol

 

Wouldn’t the salaries of the retiring employees already be budgeted? So an employee leaves and another one takes his place, it’s even Steven and doesn’t require tens of billions of new dollars.

 

Republicans should call the Democrat’s bluff and demand that every living thing in this country be audited.

 

The retiring employees will obtain pensions through OPM per FERS calculations. Those pension payments come from the OPM budget, not the IRS budget. However, that does not pay for the new hires to replace them. Since 2012, the GOP has pretty much gutted the service budget except for modernization, but that is because the payments go mostly to contractors out of West Virginia, Michigan, and a few other places.

 

They, being federal agencies, do not follow the law when they choose not to. The same for Congress, which passed the blatantly unconstitutional Unpatriot Act in 2001, and has renewed it numerous times since.

Another example is the FAA, which for almost 2 years has violated its own regulation FAR 61.53 which states that no airman can be medically certified if he is taking experimental drugs. The FAA violated that rule in ordering its employees and many pilots to take the EUA clot shots.

Our government holds itself and its agents above the law. That may be unpleasant to contemplate, but that is the reality of the situation. Numerous government officials have perjured themselves on TV, and nobody was punished for that perjury. Wake up and smell the napalm.

 

Desantis is a divider like Trump

Our country needs Real patriots who want a strong country

Desantis and Trump has weakened America like no other