DeSantis signs law requiring students and faculty state their political beliefs

No irony... No indoctrination either like in Florida public schools. Do you see, for example, De Santis dictating the teaching of conservative ideology in Florida public schools??

 

I agree with your sentiment. If however, a passing grade given by the teacher is predicated upon the student absorbing the ideology of the teacher, or a student's beliefs are predicated on the indoctrination of the teacher, IMO, one can question methods of the teaching.

 

Your "response" below:

You are posting in circular mode, conflicting your own posts.

 

No circular posting, De Santis is just asking for diversity of thought and teaching in Florida public schools.

 

Seeking more diversity on public college campuses is not fascism. In fact, since we know liberal academia dominates, we should make sure that places of higher learning, those who take public money ought to be required to have students exposed to all kinds of rigorous viewpoints. This legislation, in fact, is very progressive because it will expand the minds of students. Students should not be exposed to only the left's viewpoint.

 

What "rigorous viewpoints" are you talking about? I've been attending a university for the past few years, and it seems there is a pretty wide spread of viewpoints present, none of which are pushed on anybody. Personally, I don't want any government of any party dictating what gets taught in universities. Leave that to the academics. Politicians of both parties tend to be powerhungry ****ing idiots and should have no say in such things.

 

"The 2021 law does require public colleges and universities in Florida to administer annual surveys on the subject of "intellectual freedom and viewpoint diversity." But contrary to the inaccurate initial Salon headline, the law does not require anybody to register their political views. Students and faculty members can decide whether to participate in the surveys, which are anonymous...."

They are OFFERED to take an anonymous survey there is no requirement and they can list their political beliefs or not. There all better now?

What is your problem with this?

 

You said and posted the exact opposite:

So yeah, that's straight up irony with what you are claiming you now said.

 

Absolutely, but easier said than done if you operate within the rules.

 

Still going on about a Salon headline, I had never seen, that they retracted and reposted a more accurate headline? Good for them.
Anyway, the important point is "DeSantis suggested budget cuts could be imminent if universities and colleges are found to be “indoctrinating” students." That brings up a few questions. What is considered "indoctrination"? Who decides that? Will it be a DeSantis appointee? Will state government shut down certain college departments if found guilty? Will this change the way courses are taught? Are they still looking for the CRT bogeyman?

 

I'm all better now. Thanks.

 

Well, he either required everyone to take a political opinion survey or he didn't. Everybody can't be correct.

Determining what is indoctrination isn't that difficult. If someone is teaching to convince someone that some untruth is truth, like CRT, 1619 project, white supremacy, or Marxism leads to nirvana, that is indoctrination plain and simple. If someone is teaching that slavery existed in the US for decades and elsewhere for hundreds of years and that slavery is not a good thing at least for individual liberty, or that America fought a revolutionary war and wrote the Constitution to preserve and protect individual liberty, or that it is possible that some God did not just simply and directly create the universe and human beings, or etc. etc. etc, those are not indoctrination because they are accurate and true.

 

There is a lot of capitalist indoctrination, with almost no balancing opposing views given. I think that should be balanced out with other economic system viewpoints, especially in this day and age where the number of corporations that control literally everything can be counted on your fingers.

 

I know of no capitalism indoctrination. Capitalism is true and accurate, and so is the fact that it is proven good. However, I certainly believe that other economic systems and theories, including Marxism, ought to be taught in economics classes at the high school and college level. But none should be drilled home incessantly in all their gory detail except maybe at the graduate college level -- that would probably be indoctrination.

 

Ahh move the goalpost now.

Why shouldn't the government that funds them insure that the students are getting a broad and balanced education, isn't it the duty of the state to ensure that at state schools?

 

Uh huh.

 

I’ll challenge you to provide even ONE government policy or program that explicitly discriminates against blacks. Once you admit you can’t provide one, I’ll be happy to provide at least a dozen that explicitly discriminate against whites.

 

You won't accept this but here you go.

(2) Housing Discrimination: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) - YouTube

 

What goalposts?
It is the governments job to insure students are getting a broad and balanced education, that is evaluated in a non-partisan way, which DeSantis has no intention of, hence my questions.
That being said, my guess is, the survey will be next to useless statistically but not for propaganda purposes. I imagine few will take the survey but a high proportion of the dissatisfied will, skewing the data.

 

In a public school YES. What do you think WE TAXPAYERS are paying for? If not a broad and balanced education what kind of education do you advocate?

How self serving for your argument to just be able to assign some type nefarious motivation to him.

And do you have anything of substance on which to base that guess?

Why? We survey people CONSTANTLY in this country about their political views. And if students feel they are not receiving a fair and balance view and fair and balance education and feel intimidated to express their own views shouldn't we know that?

 

How does government housing policy EXPLICTLY discriminate against blacks because they are black. Give us the gest here so we can discuss.

 

by whom??

 

By the academics. Certainly not politicians of the left or right. They need to keep the hell out of education.

 

I am not thrilled with politicians either, but they seem to be the only choice, and they are the ultimate ones in charge of state/public education.. Academics??? They are the cause of the problem in the first place! . Having them monitor the appropriateness of what is being taught is like asking the fox to guard the hen house.

 

The only choice to insert more propaganda you mean. I do t know what problems you are referring g to exactly, but these last few years I have been at a university I haven’t had anyone push their agenda on me. There is no problem with academics. The problem is politicians spouting more bs so they can get their propaganda in the classroom.