DIABETES is primarily a disease of relative caloric excess problem

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Diet alone won't do it. You need to add in the lack of exercise.
     
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    Bad diets are one thing, but movement is everything.
     
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    Lots of people have reversed it. All it takes is getting off the couch. Exercise alone can and does reverse it in many people.
     
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    With all respect... you are illustrating what i think is a problem. People pontificating on their ill informed convictions. I say this because you so strongly emphasize thr critical importance of excercise. And, as it turns out, i reversed my own fiabetes with minimal added excercise. So, imo you are putting a huge and unnecessary exercise impediment in the path of those with diabetes

    But fundametally you are very correct to point out the imposing difficulty that people face to change their lifestyle... and to a large measure. Diabetes 2 is a lifestlye disease
     
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    That's the point though .. even a small increase in movement can reverse it.
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you do this? Do you know anyone personally who has done that? Could you reference a single scientific paper that validates this claim? Can we assume Conclude that anyone who excercises will be protected from getting D2?
     
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    Web md says

    Remission is most likely in the early stage of diabetes or after a big weight loss. It can also happen after bariatric surgery for weight loss, which can trigger healthy changes in the body's insulin system.




    Not my experience
     
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    I know many people who've reversed both IR, and even full blown Type II, via exercise (and small adjustments to diet - exchanging brown rice for white rice, sweet potatoes for white potatoes, etc).
     
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    If you skip breakfast, you put your metabolism into 'starvation mode'. In starvation mode, any introduction of glucose (from any source) causes a hyper-response. That's a problem.
     
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    Sorry but that is not true. It is bad enough that you are wrong.... you have the right to be wrong. But You are spreading misinformation. There are plenty of sedentary people who do not contract diabetes.

    We can all see the correlation between the populations increase in obesity and diabetes
    What we do not see is a similar correspondence between the population becoming dramatically more sedentary

    Web md says

    Remission is most likely in the early stage of diabetes or after a big weight loss. It can also happen after bariatric surgery for weight loss, which can trigger healthy changes in the body's insulin system.
     
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    I didn't say that obesity isn't related to type II, I simply pointed out that skinny people get it too.
     
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    I often skip breakfast
    As a matter of fact, one of the best diets is periodic fasting... which by its nature means the person is skipping breakfast. You are promoting a idea that is logical, but unproven... unless you can provide a paper with experimental results demonstrating the claim that you make. But, I am quite certain you cannot since a cure for diabetes would be such an important finding as to now be widely publicized
    ... which it is not
     
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    Where did I claim I had a cure for diabetes?

    Meantime, there are plenty of studies on glycaemic response to fasting/starvation and its role in Type II. This stuff has been understood for some time.
     
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    As mentioned, diabetes is in essence, an obesity (caloric excess) issue resulting in either fat and muscle cells being UNABLE to store any more energy in form of fat/glycogen (they will have to burst after exceedingly max capacity) and thus IGNORING the insulin signal altogether ('insulin resistance ').

    Exercise e.g. rope skipping is worth 10Mets of work done meaning that it consumes 10 x the energy of sleeping/watching TV and perhaps raises the basal metabolic rate during post exercise recovery as well as achieving a higher metabolic rate due to better muscle tone. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_intensity

    Every person is different and perhaps, other conditions cross react with hyperglycemia e.g. hypertension can increase the inflammation caused by high glucose and high triglyceride levels and alcohol can cause both chronic and acute pancreatitis as the case may be. Perhaps your metabolism may be naturally high due to occupation/hobby/lifestyle choice (blue collar/ manual labour/likes to do gardening etc): thus, reducing caloric intake by skipping meals or food substitution towards slow digestability, low caloric, high nutrient foods would result in best outcomes for your diabetes condition.
     

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