Did Biden lie about the war in Ukraine?

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Did Biden lie about the war in Ukraine?

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  2. No

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  3. of course not, Joey has always told the truth

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  4. it's a curates egg

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    President Biden held a Press Conference on Feb 24th:

    "The Russian military has begun a brutal assault on the people of Ukraine without provocation, without justification, without necessity. This is a premeditated attack Vladimir Putin has been planning this for months as I've been saying all along. He moved more than 175,000 troops, military equipment into positions along the Ukrainian border. He moved blood supplies into position and built a field hospital which tells you all you need to know about his intentions all along..."
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I like to fill in the numbers to statements, in this case the NATO trained and equipped
    Ukrainian armed forces was about 700,000 active personnel with 1,000,000 in reserve.

    Vladimir Putin moved in the army he had of 175,000 Russian soldiers.

    The Western media derided them because they were equipped with old Soviet
    equipment, advanced in a disorderly way, were reluctant to shoot back, and had poor morale.
     
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    Bridget Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if he lied that day. But I figure our involvement has something to do with Biden's deals in Ukraine.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here on Political Forum there were cheers of how the Ruskies have been driven out with their 'tails between their legs'.
    And how the 'orcs' are being mowed down by machine gun fire.

    It appears most of the US public have been trained in school on how to do comprehension of
    written material and speeches, how to summarize the main points.

    I am pleased at the number who have gone beyond that basic reflex and asked whether the
    content is likely to be true.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To attack with a good chance of success it is advisable to have a 3 to 1 advantage, though
    superiority in equipment, training, coordination and other qualities could allow a different ratio.

    But outmoded equipment, boots with no socks, tires on vehicles that come apart,
    doesn't seem to be an army which with a 4 to one disadvantage against just
    the army of Ukraine, is claimed to be the army Pres. Putin intends to use to
    take over the rest of Europe as soon as they have taken Ukraine which
    is the only thing standing in Putin's aim of conquering Europe.

    That's the official US narrative.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Speaking in Brussels on Feb 14th of this year, the General Secretary of NATO
    had a different narrative,

    stating that the war in Ukraine did not start on Feb 24th 2022
    but in 2014, and in that speech or another speech, he stated
    that the objective of NATO in the war in Ukraine is to weaken Russia,
    to cause regime change in Russia
    and to break up the Russian Federation into a number of small countries.

    So Europe gets a narrative that the war started in 2014, and NATO
    intends to use it to weaken Russia and take over Russia,
    by regime change and break Russia up,

    While Joe Biden gives the US a narrative that Russia
    started the war in 2022 intending to take over Europe.
     
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    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    From the git go,"The Russian military has begun a brutal assault on the people of Ukraine without provocation," statement was BS but pointing it out makes you a "Putin apologist".
    This example soft peddles what happened and even it is calling out this BS: https://www.cato.org/commentary/us-nato-helped-trigger-ukraine-war-its-not-siding-putin-admit-it#
     
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    One of Russia's first moves was a blitz toward Kiev. And their advance units actually made it there, just not in sufficient force to do anything. Supposedly they were going to seize the govt and force a diplomatic solution to the problem of pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine. But now we'll never really know, and its more reasonable to assume that if they did take Kiev, they would have leveraged that for as much territory as they could.

    The thing to remember when comparing numbers on paper to battlefeild results is that the attacker can put roughly 100% of their resources where they want the fight to happen and the defender inevitably ends up covering territory that isn't attacked. In tactical terms, the attacker needs 3x the force of the defender to be able to expect success. But in strategic terms, the attacker accomplishes this by focussing their resources into small areas. Russia may have attacked 700K with a force of only 175K, but rest assured their plan was to only be attacking 50K of them at a time. But they ran out of gas, and now its a quagmire.
     
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    As soon as Putin's puppets were voted out of power, Putin attacked Ukraine.

    Yes, the war started in 2014, when Russia invaded Ukraine.

    Yes, the war is 100% Vladimir Putin's fault.

    Yes, the Russian military has been exposed as a Potemkin Tiger.

    The only reason Russia is relevant is that they have Nukes.
     
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    Given the amount of money the Bidens have received, Joe Biden is always under a cloud. Even if Biden didn’t have any other failures, the funds he has accepted from Russians, Ukraine and China make him constantly suspect.
     
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    That seems accurate, and all our allies agree. Which part do you disagree with?
     
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    I figure thats one of the dumbest things I have read today. Congrats.

    Its your opinion we should just allow Putin to take whatever he wants with no repercussions?

    Why are you a Putin lover? Are you by chance Russian? Seems like you must be. Or an agent of the FSB per chance? Or what Russin agents call a UI?

    Either way, I cant figure out why your so lip locked to Putins rear end.
     
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    Who the heck is "we" in the "we should just allow Putin etc.?" You got a mouse in your pocket?
    Imagine you do direct deposit. You go to the bank to withdraw $ to buy food. The teller says, "sorry, your account is empty. We gave your money to a guy in Uzbekistan. He is a really nice guy!!! And he's got kids!!!" You'd want that bank held accountable for the misappropriation of your funds. Same with Beijing Biden (the guy that lost 18/19 bell weather counties and appears to have stolen the 2020 election) Ukranian misadventure. I don't care if the Ukrainian people are really, really nice!!! and Putin really a meany!!! Is this our concern? I'd write not while even the NYT is telling us we need to gut Social Security and Medicare so we can afford our bogus journey on the other side of the planet.
     
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    Turin Well-Known Member

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    Anyonew who at this point, given all the evidence to the contrary, who claims that biden stole the 2020 election, IMO, is knowingly lying. Just like their god trump.
     
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    First off I am not American.

    Next when you come on a forum and use words like "most of the US public" you erase any semblance of credibility and reveal what in my opinion is trolling designed to insult "most Americans" as you engage in a deliberate negative insulting slur.

    So I ask why do you bait. What makes you believe that you are in a position to accuse anyone let alone Americans you have never spoken to about what they should be reading.

    More to the point what nationality are you and what materials do you read. Why do you not mention both? How is anything you say credible when you attack another's nationality but do not reveal your own,.

    How is anything you say credible when you offer no materials or explain your views and simply start a thread to bait Americans and insult them?

    If you have any material you think relevant why not share it?

    Why do you engage in sweeping negative generalizations?

    Do me a favour. I am Canadian. I have been on this forum quite some time. Like many we have read many Russian trolls baiting on Ukrainian threads.

    Its lame,

    If you have a position you want to advance, provide your materials. If you want to piss on "most" Americans have the integrity to admit what your bias is and what your nationality is.

    Now run along before I send Justin Trudeau to live with you.
     
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    1. If you claim to be quoting someone provide the cite you quote.
    2. Provide the citation and script where Joe Biden stated Russia started the war in 2022 to take over Europe.

    When you come on a forum and pose your subjective views as the words of others, you have zero credibility.

    By the way if you want to engage in pro Russian scripts understand, the words of Putin and his intent in Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia,Poland, Lithuania, and other former Soviet States is there for all to read. Your pretending they do not exist and NATO and Biden simply state what they do in a vacuum and not in response to Putin's words is hilarious.

    Carry on.
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    But if you don't want to leave Grandma on a sidewalk to die having squandered billions for Biden's crime family to do their tax evasion, kick backs and graft in Ukraine, its OK to call that person a "Putin apologist". Got you.
     
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