Did God Give Israel To The Jews?

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  1. tomteapack

    tomteapack New Member Past Donor

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    You really need to read the bible, they books in it are attributed to many authors (Moses, John, Mark, etc and on and etc). Not one book of the bible has god listed as the author, duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!1
     
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    Mammon, you mean, for racist and commercial reasons? Be ashamed and tremble!
     
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    so let's pray;

    "******* israel"
     
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    tomteapack New Member Past Donor

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    Zionists are Nazis?????? Ignored for cause!
     
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    tomteapack New Member Past Donor

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    I support the Nation of Israel because it is a democratic republic.
     
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    what if you realized it was a theocracy versus a democracy?

    would that change your mind?
     
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    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Zionists are nazis, certainly, going as far as they dare in racist murder, and controlling the information available to Americans to a remarkable degree, pretending, for instance, to be Jews, when their founders detested traditonal Jewry just as much as did their German comrades, and longed for a German-like 'race' instead. Too many Americans think names imply realities and spend their time reacting to other people as if they were football teams. Once upon a time their acestors would have explained that 'by their fruits shall ye know them'. Was traditional Judaism committed to ethnic cleansing, torture, lying and child-murder, for instance? The nazis were.
     
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    just askanazi


    Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכֲּנָזִים‎‎, pronounced [ˌaʃkəˈnazim], singular: [ˌaʃkəˈnazi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכֲּנָז, Y'hudey Ashkenaz, "the Jews of Ashkenaz"), are the Jews descended from the medieval Jewish communities along the Rhine in Germany
     
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    lol your funny.

    I guess you never heard of Ovadia Yosef http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovadia_Yosef
    Same guy who claimed goyyim will be slaves to Jews. He is a Zionist.

    I guess you also have never heard of the Zionist Sephardic political party, Shas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shas

    I bet you do not even know what Sephardim and Mizrahim are.

    Thank you for trying, but you just prove you are an anti-semitic idiot, who truly knows nothing of Jews.
     
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    That's part of Judaic eschatology, isn't it?
     
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    What is? The difference between ashkenazim, sephardim and mizrahim?

    If that is what you are asking, then no/yes. No in the fact that an Ashkenazim Jew can not be Sephardic in the ethnic sense, but can practice the Sephardic tradition(like is a Ashkenazic women married a Sephardic Man. She would most likely take his tradition). In a religious sense, there is a difference, besides ethnic and cultural, there is traditions that differ. Such as one group (i forget the specifics) will allow a child who has been bar-mitzvhad, wear tallit, while the other group's tradition says the man can not wear tallit until married. Same with the washing of hands before eating, prayers and what not.

    But they are still seperate peoples. Like native Americans. They are all Jewish, but settled in different parts of the world. Sephardic are from western Europe, and many from Portugal and Spain. Ashkenazim from eastern Europe, and Mizrahim from Middle east.
     
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    Poor communication on my part..

    I was referring to the idea that all goyim will be subject to Jewish rule in the end times.

    Sephardic are from western Europe, and many from Portugal and Spain. Ashkenazim from eastern Europe, and Mizrahim from Middle east

    This much I am aware of.
     
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    Okay okay, sorry bout that then. I thought you was asking something else. Which means I wrote all that for nothing lol.

    Um, the idea is the personal idea of Ovadia's. Usually extremist Jews believe stuff like that, just like extremist protestants believe God will kill all the people who do not follow their exact way, or like extremist muslims wo kill non-believers.

    The mainstrem belief is that in the world to come, people will see that the torah is the way of life and will bow to the god of israel and live in peace. While the Tzadik and the rightous gentiles will be given special honor. And thous who are condemned are thouse who lived horrible lifes, such as Hitler, Stalin, etc.
     
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    Well.. if Israel was the promised land of milk and honey.. the prophesy has failed.
     
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    What prophecy?

    Its not the world to come, yet.
     
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    I sort of lean to the preterist view.. because there was never any prophesy that was 2000 years out... and because in both Numbers and Psalms the scripture clearly defines a generation as 40 years.
     
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    Im sorry Margot, I am still at a lost to what you are talking about.
     
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    Its easy because it's true. And I don't mind repeating the correct answer. When the answer is correct, it will always be the one given when the same questions are asked. That is sort of 'logical' isn't it?

    Prove your statement of eary Christians baptism. Explain Matt.28:19.

    The Holy Spirit lives in me and does speak to me. And I know the Bible is the Word of God because I know.

    Quantrill
     
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    I do read it and study it. There are many human writers. The whole Bible is authored by God. By His Spirit.

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    I have no reason to be ashamed or to tremble.

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    Great, then ask the holy spirit how the Spectacled bear made it back from the Ark from South American and let us all know.

    Also find out why there is continuous culture in China, India, Africa, Egypt, South America, and Mesopotamia pre and post flood.

    Your concept of the holy spirit was invented by Man.
     
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    Whats the problem with the bear?

    Where do you date Noah's flood to arrive at a pre and post culture?

    I see. In other words, you don't know what your talking about and couldn't explain Matt. 28.

    Quantrill
     
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    The Bible defines generations and tell you how many generations between Creation and the flood.. as well as between the flood and Abraham.
     
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    So when was that? And you never have proved what a generation is.

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    Date of the flood.

    The Ussher chronology, a calculation of the dates of creation and other Biblical events published in 1650 by the Irish Archbishop James Ussher, places the Great Flood at 2348 BC. Using the Masoretic Text of the Bible shows the date to be 1656 years after creation.[44]

    Ussher calculated that the creation occurred in 4004 B.C.; using this date and the King James Bible result in a date of 2348 B.C. for the Flood. The Ussher chronology was highly influential, but other theologians have given different dates for the Creation; for example, Scaliger claimed it to have occurred in 3950 B.C., while Petavius calculated the date as 3982 B.C


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark#Date_of_the_flood
     

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