Did the CIA get its mojo back?

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  1. Clausewitz

    Clausewitz Active Member

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    Based on the intelligence failures of Iraq, and the double agent operation that led to the suicide bombing of a sensitive location of an intelligence facility in Afghanistan, and one of the most serious losses for the agency, the CIA has been heavily criticized. Notice the tone of the article printed in GQ.

    http://www.gq.com/news-politics/politics/201004/dagger-to-the-cia

    My question is simple, now that Osama bin Laden is dead, did the CIA get its mojo back? Was it ever gone to begin with?
     
  2. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Granny wantin' to know how much money we gonna save now dat Osama is dead?...
    :fart:
    Will there be an Osama 'peace dividend'?
    5/3/2011 - Until now, cuts in defense spending haven’t played dominant role in budget debate
    ... an' if dey gonna use the money to pay down the deficit or dey just gonna spend it on sumpin' else??
     
  3. Clausewitz

    Clausewitz Active Member

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    Didn't read your post, but I'm going to say the CIA did get its mojo back. Yeah baby!!! :woot:
     
  4. RoccoR

    RoccoR Well-Known Member Donor

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    Clausewitz, et al,

    You really don't have enough information to make this assumption.

    (COMMENT)

    The Hunt for Osama bin Laden, not counting the interest in him prior, began nearly a decade ago. It cost over a Trillion Dollars; not counting those killed in the process and what it will take to extract ourselves out of the Region. There is still much more cost to bare.

    A little story:


    Just because you score a win, does mean your decade of losing is broke. They went on to lose for another decade. But in CalTechs defense, it has produced over 30 Nobel Prize winners and twice that many National Medal in either Science or Technology.

    The CIA didn't necessarily have (or have not) MoJo to gain or re-acquire. It may have, just as the Beavers were, lucky.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
  5. Clausewitz

    Clausewitz Active Member

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    And how does one, who doesn't work for the CIA, judge their success when they are not privy to the classified operations they conduct? They say the CIA got lucky :shock:

    They got their mojo back! yeah baby :party:
     
  6. RoccoR

    RoccoR Well-Known Member Donor

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    Clausewitz, et al,

    You don't have to have access to classified operations to make this judgment; just be a product user.

    (COMMENT)

    We don't even know if the location of ObL was even derived through a CIA Collection Operation. It may very well have come from a walk-in or a bounty hunter looking for the reward.

    We simply don't have the data points to make very many assumptions.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
  7. krunkskimo

    krunkskimo New Member

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    fun read.

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    I'd argue that the CIA never had Mojo to begin with.
     
  8. Clausewitz

    Clausewitz Active Member

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    I'd argue if they did, we'd only hear about the failures.
     
  9. Clausewitz

    Clausewitz Active Member

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    What products aren't classified?
     
  10. RoccoR

    RoccoR Well-Known Member Donor

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    Clausewitz, et al,

    While most INTEL products are classified, INTEL OPS are compartmented and often protected behind a special access program. The INTEL derived from an operation, divorced of anything that would compromise sensitive sources and methods (AKA: below the "tear-line"), is usually handled differently.

    (COMMENT)

    There are a few UNCLASS products. A typical CIA Fact Book is an example.

    The NIE comes in three forms (UNCLASS, collateral, and SCI). As you know, the WMD info was nearly 95% wrong leading up to the Iraq Invasion.

    Anyone that served recently in the military (AIP) probably used, at one time or another, an INTEL Product.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
  11. Stupidsheep

    Stupidsheep New Member

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    The central incompetence agency never had mojo to begin with. They aren't even good liars.

    Osama bin laden has been dead for almost ten years. There is a reason why we were not shown pics of his corpse. Because the liar pos federal gov never had it.

    Dont be such a naive lamb.
     
  12. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    he sure is a naive lamb.yeah he has been dead for 10 years because he knew too much.he was like oswald,they got rid of him 10 years ago because he was a patsy.
     
  13. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    Get rid of the CIA. They are incompetent. There is no room for incompetence.
     
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    tomteapack New Member Past Donor

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    Being criticized may just be a cover. The fact is, that if we actually knew how good or bad the CIA was doing, then it would not be doing its job at all.

    The most stupid thing that humans ever did, was to invent Gods.
     

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