Did the US going to war in Ukraine make the world a safer place?

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Did the US going to war in Ukraine make the world a safer place?

  1. 1. Yes, we are safer than we were before Biden

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  2. 2. No, it is more dangerous now

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  3. 3 neither safer nor more dangerous

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did the US going to war in Ukraine make the world a safer place?
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some might claim this is not a fair question, and that the US was forced to send huge amounts of weapons to Ukraine in 2021 when Joe Biden became president because Obama and Trump had not sent enough.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By February 2021 seven years had passed since the Maidan Uprising and still Pres. Putin had not reacted.
    So Biden needed to send ammo for Kyiv to shoot into Donbas if he was going to get Putin to do anything.
     
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    What an odd question. 46 countries have given financial, humanitarian, and military aid to Ukraine. Did they "go to war in Ukraine" too? The Russian invasion of Ukraine made the world less safe.
     
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    You called it Uprising, that's what it was. Why should Dictator Pooteen react to what's happening in another foreign, sovereign country? Doesn't this idiot have problems in the country of his own? :(
     
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    The US haven't gone to war
     
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    If Putin/Russia feel they come out on top after what they've done in Ukraine, then the world is highly destabilized in that the norm will shift towards such overt imperialism being acceptable. If at the end of the day they and others look back and say, "trying to take over Ukraine was a bad idea," then the world will be a safer place. The outcome is so far undetermined. US actions are pushing things towards being more likely to be the positive and safer outcome.
     
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    Well for starters the US did not go to war in Ukraine. It along with numerous other countries condemned the Russian invasion and has provided aid to the Ukrainians.

    Why not ask the question: Did the Russian invasion of Ukraine make the world a safer place?

     
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    When I discovered the history of the conflict in Ukraine I noticed how Biden becoming president led one year later to the slow conflict (2014 to 2021) in Ukraine suddenly erupting into a hotter conflict, and the need for Russia to move physically in to protect Donetsk and other parts of eastern Ukraine.

    Joe Biden was to some extent in the driving seat when he was vice president and now has stoked it all up even more as president.

    The 100,000 million dollars in weapons provided to central Ukraine has caused a lot of damage to eastern Ukraine.

    Of course the US politicians, media, and most of all the weapons makers are blaming the very people they are shooting at.

    and the public believes them.

    and the public believed them in the Vietnam War, the war in Afghanistan, the Iraq wars, the war in Syria, and will for all future wars
     
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    So, why are you posting propaganda for Putin?
     
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    Oliver Stone is an American film director.
    Explaining the situation from the Russian position or any other position accurately is essential to allow top diplomats, top military decision-makers, and even top politicians, to know what is going on.
    It's pretty much the case that top world leaders do not lie to each other.
    But they usually do lie to their own public.
     
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    How is the U.S. "at war" in Ukraine?
     
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    The US public has to say 'merca rah rah'.
    Because unity is strength, and therefore in many cases ignorance is strength.

    However, having the entire public believing crap is dangerous.
    And that is why I post, too many of the public want the govt to have a nuclear war with Russia.
    Too many think it will go well for the US.
    Of course it won't happen, the possibility was proposed by Pres. Putin and Britain and so on mainly as a thought experiment, to reign in the overly ambitious expectations of the public.

    I think the Biden Administration is going too far.

    So I've posted below a link to a documentary of what has actually been going on, behind all the rah rah rah s.
     
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    Why would a white nationalist be carrying water for Putin?
     
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    I'm posting because it is my opinion that even starting the conflict was a mistake, because Russia is a lot more powerful than most people even some top politicians are aware.
    And that we should get out as soon as possible, and just tell the public that we did it out of the kindness of our hearts, or to help some hungry nation in Africa or something.

     
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    "Russia was wrong to invade. It has made too many mistakes — 1) underestimating Ukrainian resistance, 2) overestimating the military’s ability to achieve its objective, 3) underestimating Europe’s reaction, especially Germany upping its military contribution to NATO, which they’ve resisted for some 20 years; even Switzerland has joined the cause. Russia will be more isolated than ever from the West. 4) underestimating the enhanced power of NATO, which will now put more pressure on Russia’s borders, 5) probably putting Ukraine into NATO, 6) underestimating the damage to its own economy and certainly creating more internal resistance in Russia, 7) creating a major readjustment of power in its oligarch class, 8 ) putting cluster and vacuum bombs into play, 9) and underestimating the power of social media worldwide".....Oliver Stone
     
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    Even Russia's "closest allies" have denounced the invasion of Ukraine as a serious war crime. Putin's Russia is the greatest threat to world peace since 1945.
    The Russian military needs to be pushed out of Ukraine or destroyed in place ASAP. Even the remaining friends of Russia should realize this by now.

    Orban: “Hungary’s position is clear: we stand by Ukraine, we stand by Ukraine’s territorial integrity". and sovereignty,”

    “Why it matters: As the Western world seeks to make Putin an international pariah, even his ***closest allies are resisting*** showing support for his assault on Ukraine.

    Driving the news: Czech President Milos Zeman and Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban, both historically strong pro-Russian voices in the European Union, condemned the affront as ***"an unprovoked act of aggression,"*** AP reports."Russia has committed a ***crime against peace***,” Zeman said.
    • Zeman, who earlier this week insisted that Russia wouldn't attack Ukraine, changed course and has ***called for harsh sanctions*** against Russia, including pulling out of the SWIFT financial system.
    • Orban, who has pursued a diplomatic and economic strategy with Putin called "Eastern Opening," condemned "Russia's military action."
    • “Hungary’s position is clear: ***we stand by Ukraine***, we stand by Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty,” said Hungary's Foreign Minister Peter Szijijarto, per AP.”
    • YAHOO NEWS, , Putin’s allies abandon him over Ukraine invasion, By Erin Doherty, Sat, February 26, 2022. (***mine)https://news.yahoo.com/putin-allies-abandon-him-over-145753271.html
     
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    Yes.. but what I mean by this is that the exposing of the extreme corruption in the Ukraine........
    will lead to the exposing of the Washington Swamp.......
    while will soon make America and the world a safer place.... but the next months are critical and we need to be wise......and frankly.... we need to pray and ask our Creator to intervene in human affairs...... we need help from higher invisible dimensions of space and time.

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca
     
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    In my opinion....
    Biden takes incompetence to a whole new level..............

    what he did in Afghanistan makes Judas Iscariot look like a relatively good guy.... but.... a higher power than Biden and Trudeau is at work behind the scenes working all of this mess out for good!
     
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