Discoveries that would DESTROY religion?

Off the top of my head I would say:

Evidence for Abiogenisis

Proof of God

Finding Jesus' bones



What kind of finds do you think would DESTROY religion?

 

Nothing.

If aliens came down and showed us the actually history of the human race, (perhaps even in HD video ) which coincidentally proved the bible false, the religious would just say it was the work of the devil and try to start a war against them in the name of their God.

Faith is the ultimate con.

 

I don't know if those finds would destroy religion but I'm pretty sure they would make the new atheists even more annoying.

 

Space aliens landing on Earth.

 

That wouldn't destroy religion - it would possibly destroy a certain creation story, but it wouldn't explain who the higher power who created the aliens were.

No one has faith as great as atheists do.

 

How would the existence of life on other planets disprove religion.

 

Based on the sheer number of stars and planets life on other worlds should be very common. What I said was that if space aliens landed on Earth it should destroy two or three major religious myths. For instance, the Bible says that God gave man dominion over the Earth. If space aliens landed that would then be a verifiable false statement. So if the Bible story is true space aliens will never land on Earth because this is our world, not theirs.

Of course, space aliens will never land on Earth but it will have nothing to do with any religious fairy tales.

 

The only thing that can "destroy religion" is DOUBT, despair, suicide, or self hatred.

The only thing that can destroy religion is complete lack of faith in anything. If you believe the sun will rise and set tomorrow on Earth, then you believe in something. Your religion is scientism. Your religion is the indisputability of facts. For postchristians, God is the indisputable "fact" of existence.

 

Abiogenisis could be seen as the secrets of Gods creation of life! Evolution could be seen as the creation process. Animals were created first as stated in the bible. I don't think there is anything that could disprove religion solidly and vice versa. Good question.

 

Religion is the inner need some people have to worship and nothing can destroy that .
Say you like a woman and you fall in love with her , she turns you down but you are still in love although it is unreasonable to emotionally invest in something that can't exist , it is the same with religion .

Established religious dogmas on the other side can be taken down by scientific observation and experimentation .

 

Scientific observation and experimentation is a "dogma" in its own right. What makes you think your so-called scientific "facts" are any different than zionist religious beliefs? Atheists are the worst form of dogmatism. It's blinder than any critique any zionist can make against any christian branch or sect.

A belief in GOD, in any form, is much more reasonable and rational than ANY form of scientism, liberalism, and zionism.

Because people recognize faith. The atheist dogmatist is blind about his own faith. He is too ignorant and selfish to reflect on himself, to see or recognize his own faith in life. The postchristian man is a self-reflective thinker and believer. He understands GOD and has faith in HIM. The atheist on the other hand, has faith in NOTHING, and cannot tell the difference between God and nothing. So atheism is the blindest faith possible, the most powerful dogma ever constructed by Zion.

 

Nothing can destroy religion in general. Some events or discoveries can (and have) discredit or disprove a specific belief but the nature of faith makes it likely that the believers will just adjust and evolve their beliefs to fit the new information. Regardless of what we learn and discover, there will always be gaps for religion to fit, especially as more conceptual spirituality rather than beliefs in interventional deities.

Incidentally, you seem to be smudging the difference between "religion" and "Christianity" in the wording of your question. Abiogenesis is perfectly compatible with lots of religions and the discovery (and somehow identification) of the bones of Jesus could actually support some faiths (such as Islam, which sees him as a mortal prophet rather than devine son of God).

 

I think you don't know what science really is , you need to test theories and revise them when they fail or sometimes completely drop them.
There is no such thing as scientific dogma because dogmatism defeats the purpose of science .

About the rest of the post it is unrelated with the thread .
I understand your need to worship and back this need with some reasoning but your points are as expected weak , your attempt to portrait atheism as something that it isn't makes my laugh.

 

I think you don't know who God really is.

So science accepts failure? Wow, congratulations for that.....God does not accept failure. He has higher standards than your puny "science".

Science is the most tyrannical form of "dogma". You blindly accept facts, without testing or experimentation. You blindly accepts facts as "self evident". This is no different than what you call "faith". Scientists, liberals, and zionists who all believe in the religion of scientism, are the most self deluded believers I've EVER MET IN MY LIFE.

Religious people, GOOD HEARTED CHRISTIANS, harbor more doubt than scientists and liberals do. God tests the faith of Christians most, because Christians and postchristians are closest to HIM.

It makes you laugh because it's true.

At least I don't worship false doctrines such as scientism, or worship your zionist and liberal agendas. What you worship, NOTHING, is far more sinister and devious.

 

Agree .
So improve the Human genome by eliminating those that deviate from rationality .And for Research , ask them how their Faith is coping as they take their last breath .
Eugenics with a smiley face for the benefit of our future .
Any resemblance to a certain sort of old fashioned Fascism is purely coincidental .

 

Sir , you don't expect someone to seriously reply in a post about "Scientists, liberals, and zionists" , you also have no idea how "tyrannical" doctrines used to work originally ( to educate you a bit : tyranny was usually a short time event between republics , it mostly worked as a tool of balancing the harm republics have done before the authority is handed back to the citizens) .
Science works like that : you start with observation and make a hypothesis , then through experimentation you test if your hypothesis stands , then you publish your findings in peer reviewed journals and receive criticism , many will observe and experiment against your hypothesis sometimes creating different branches , others will test if things work like you said , if your hypothesis still stands it will became a theory but a theory is something to be constantly tested and examined to it's roots . This is why there are so few axioms in science , we don't do science to create dogmas but to understand the world and accumulate knowledge , this process never ends .

In comparison you reply everything with "god did it" , yet we are dogmatic... ROFL

How did dictatorship of the banks jumped into a thread about religion ?

 

You don't have to take me seriously for what I say to be true. Truth makes people laugh sometimes too, it's called comedy. It's a laughter brought about by fear and nervousness.

You predictably skipped over that SMALL LITTLE CONTENTION where scientists need to BELIEVE (have faith) in "EVIDENCE".

Science requires faith. You BELIEVE IN evidence. Evidence is based on faith. You CANNOT deny this. This is why science is such a dangerous new age religion. It is a dogma that pretends, most deviously of all, that it is "not based on belief, but fact instead". This is clearly false. A scientist believes in his own evidence, his own data, his own experimentation.

A scientist BELIEVES IN HIS OWN DOGMA. He is a pretender of GOD. He imagines himself in the Divine Creator's shoes. He is most narcissistic, and no amount of "rationality" can allow him to see that CHRISTIANS are not as narcissistic and vain as he, the scientist, is. A scientist attempts to create his own faith and value system......but ultimately fails. Since only GOD can validate faith.

Faith is a primary component in science. Scientists belief, have faith in, "scientific evidence". The trick, the lie, the ruse.....is explicating this so-called "evidence".

What is so evident? Let me rephrase, what or WHO is MOST EVIDENT? God!

YOU ARE the dogmatist!

Scientism is a religion mostly founded by atheists, liberals, and zionists. Because these respective groups hate christians, christianity, and CHRIST.

 

No actually science requires questioning the facts , evidence is not based on faith but observation and experimentation.
For example you are walking on the surface of earth and not be sucked into space , this is evidence that the theory of gravity holds some ground .Using antibiotics made in the 80's will let common influenza kill you , this is evidence that the theory of evolution is not that off . Earth like all other planets are spinning around the sun , this shows that heliocentric system theory can not be that wrong.

You are mixing religious faith with science , in science what we believe is our capacity and determination to try to explain how things work , there is a reason hypothesis with solid backing data are still called like that and not axioms or laws .


Liberalism is the dictatorship of the banks , i don't see how it sticks in a thread about religion .

 

No.......scientism is about never arguing against or disputing "facts".

So you're saying that you don't believe what you observe to be true to your experience?

So you're saying that when you perform an experiment, that you don't believe in the data it produces?

No, your belief in the illusion of gravity precedes evidence for it.

What is "evident" is that you are walking on the surface of earth, not being sucked into space. You BELIEVE this to be true. This has nothing to do with "gravity".

Gravity is something beyond experience, an unnecessarily elaborate scheme, a plot, to pretend that science is "valid" and "rational" and more than just ordinary common sense. It doesn't take an Isaac Newton to KNOW that people are not sucked into space. People don't need to BELIEVE in gravity. People already BELIEVE in sense, and experience.

This is called COMMON SENSE, something you are not very well acquainted with. Science is unnecessary. It's mental masturbation. Common sense is enough.

WHAT?

You still BELIEVE in heliocentricism. It's your FAITH. Scientific "theories" are matters of FAITH and BELIEF. You BELIEVE in these theories, because you are a follower of the religion of scientism.

NO.....YOU are mixing science with FAITH. For me, it's clear. YOU deny your own beliefs. YOU deny your own religious behavior, as a dogmatist, a blind devotee to YOUR religion of scientism.

Your capacity to believe is directly proportionate to your ability to explain how things work?

But you don't KNOW how things work. So you believe in nothing??? This is your contradiction, your paradox, to deal with and solve.

Liberalism is the foundation of the new age religion of scientism. Scientism has the support of liberals and zionists, who hate christianity and "faith" and belief.

These fools want to pass themselves off as "against dogma", when in truth, they are more dogmatic than ANY HISTORICAL FAITH, religion, and especially christian people.

 

Actually, the best discovery would be 'integrity'.


Most people of science contribute because of an intent to pursue truth; to understand.

The discover that would assist if more people found their capability of personal responsibility.

For example: Matt 16:20 tells something important

Same with mark 10:17-19

But weak minded punks just don't sustain personal responsibility.

 

There is no such thing as "scientism" , when i see that predators have their eyes infront and not at the side of the head i believe that this is done for a purpose , when i am doing a calculation i believe that my results are right after double checking but this is not the certainty that i am absolutely right and in fact i don't want to be 100% right , i want people to question me and present their own evidence to counter mine , this is how science is done if you leave personal ambition outside .
Nobody says that evidence require a religious weight of belief , the world is fluid and what is reality now may not be in the close future

So i guess Mr Armstrong didn't experienced the 1/3 gravity of the moon . If you weight yourself in the equator and then in the poles and compare the values you will see that gravity is far from an illusion

So why you are using a computer ?

yep, you die !

I believe what my eyes can see and senses can sense

what religious behaviour? since when questioning everything is a religion? there is good faith and blind faith , i present the first and you the second.

This is why we have senses and reasoning , you may believe that you can repel an attack with your nose but your capacity to explain how things work says that you better use your hands , some are stupid enough and will still use their nose with directly proportionate results

Nobody hates sci-fi , Liberalism is a political theory and as one it takes many interpretations so in effect does not only mean what you believe it means and there we go with belief , it is okay if you accept that you can be wrong.

The ideas you have were defeated back in renaissance and since then the world is moving forward , this is why no discovery will ever beat religion but religious fans themselves presenting fading repulsive dogmas already trashed by science.

 

Don't deny your liberal religion to me!

Purpose.....PURPOSE?! Purpose is a religious concept, not a scientific one.

You're lying. If you weren't 100% certain of your answer, then you would leave your calculations and exam papers empty. But you BELIEVE. You have FAITH that your answers are correct and true. What makes you believe that you can measure faith or doubt????? Why don't you consult with your liberal scientist cultists before returning an answer to me, about that.

Everybody does!

All evidence requires belief.....FAITH. Are you telling me that you don't believe in your own senses, your own experience?! HAHAHAHA!

That doesn't mean anything. You still BELIEVE in the illusion of gravity. You still CONVINCE yourself in your funny, humorous "scientific" theories. It's funny watching a dogmatist like you attempt to deny your own dogma. You liberal believers of scientism are the worst kind of religion, a religion passing itself off as "objective" and "rational" when you are THE LEAST objective or rational.

Because I enjoy technology. Why are you?

WHAT?

Then you have faith, thank you for admitting this. See, it's not difficult to admit that you're WRONG, mutmekep, is it?

You don't "QUESTION" everything. You don't question Gravity. You don't question physics or math. Instead, you OBEY these religious practices of scientism with blind faith and zeal. You are the core of liberalism and liberal fundamentalism. Science is your religion. And you'll be condemned to Hell before you ever TRULY "question" your "theories".

You've never once questioned "gravity", HAVE YOU? You've never once questioned heliocentricism. You've never once QUESTIONED or DOUBTED your supposed "objectivity" or "rationality" of math.

You are all the same. You CLAIM to doubt, you CLAIM to question, but you really don't.

I hate sci-fi. Well, not all of it, but some. It's too idealistic and SUBJECTIVE, irrational, opposed to objectivity and rationality. To be objective and rational, you must be RELIGIOUS.

My ideas were never defeated. They were simply left in a few dusty tombs and forgotten for a few hundred years. But it is time to pull out these OLD books, OLD ways of thinking, and revive them. There is too much liberal, scientism, zionist bull**** to suffer these days. It's time to revert back to the older ways and methods, which were never truly "wrong" in the first place.

You believe that you are so "new", and right, and unquestionable. But I will show this to be the lie for what it is. Your "science" is nothing more than you DELUDING YOURSELF into believing your own dogma. You are the worst type of dogmatist, one who lies that you "doubt yourself", quesiton yourself, when you really DO NOT AT ALL. Tell me the last time any "scientist" doubted your dogma of gravity, or heliocentricism? You haven't. You BLINDLY believe what you were told, educated, by your liberal schools, without question.

You are most guilty for what you accuse here. You are most guilty of lacking this so-called "doubt" that you have. You don't realize the importance, the absolute power of FAITH. You fail to understand your own beliefs. This makes you more blind than any christian, in the world.

 

Heretic

One third of Irish people in Ireland believe leprechauns exist or have existed including people who have never claimed to see one.

People all over the world believe in bigfoot and the lochness monster despite never having seen one.

These people understand the power of faith which by your standards puts them at the same level as Christians.

Some pretty good company there.

Everything you stated about science and atheism was a fallacy and it begs the question as to whether or not you are putting on a show or simply do not understand.

 

Comparing God to leprauchans and unicorns is a logical fallacy of false dichotomy. The two beliefs are not the same, at all.

You may as well disbelieve in JUSTICE or fairness. These are other immaterial beliefs which young men, like yourself, take for granted at face value.

Justice is just as immaterial and "non-existent" as fairies, unicorns, leprauchans, but you still BELIEVE it exists. Why? Ask YOURSELF why!

 

None of it, since we've already had innumerable such discoveries. People simply stop their ears and merrily go on with their religious fantasies.