Discussion about Ukraine during Biden-Trump debate

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  1. Robert84

    Robert84 Active Member

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    During the Biden-Trump debate last week, the subject of Ukraine figured prominently. The words “Ukraine” and “Ukrainian” were used 25 times during the debate.

    Below I would like to draw your attention to some points.

    For almost 2 months before the start of the Russian Military Operation in Ukraine in February 2022, negotiations were conducted between Russian and Western diplomats, and at these negotiations the Russian side asked for guarantees that Ukraine would not be accepted into NATO. However, Western diplomats refused to give such guarantees and said that the West had nothing to do with it and Ukraine should decide for itself whether it will join NATO or not.

    At this debate, the moderator asked Biden and Trump a specific question:
    However, neither Biden nor Trump answered this question.

    Then the moderator asked only about the territory.
    The question about territory was answered by both Biden and Trump.

    Therefore we can assume that both of them no longer support Ukraine’s entry into NATO.

    I would also like to draw your attention to the following words of Biden:
    V. Putin never said this. This was said by US Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland in March 2022, see the quote below:
    Special online meeting of the Kiev Security Forum

    Biden also, as before, repeated his assertion that the Russian government allegedly wants to capture all of Ukraine in order to restore a part of the Soviet Empire.
    Last year I published the article “Patterns of distortion in American statements about the Ukrainian crisis” which - inter alia - included a pattern called “Mind Reading.” When somebody uses this pattern, he alleges that he knows other persons' thoughts, wishes and other phenomena which are inside their minds.

    But in reality, V. Putin never spoke about his desire to restore any part of the Soviet Empire.

    And the following fragment about the removal of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine in the debate was already analyzed in one of my articles in January of this year; see “Is present Ukraine an independent country?
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    NATO Mulls Imposing No-Fly Zone Over Western Ukraine
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    'Would involve Western troops manning anti-air systems on Polish border...'

    Bribed Joe has a demented obsession to get us into WWIII

    'NATO-manned equipment shooting down Russian jets. It would obviously constitute direct NATO intervention against Russia, setting up for bigger war.'
     
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    Well this is insane but that seems par for the course.
     
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    Will Demented Bribed Joe manage to kick off WWIII before he ushered out the exit as unfit to govern?

    Bombshell NYT Expose Details War Crimes By American-Led Volunteer Force In Ukraine
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    "Today a good friend willingly executed a bound prisoner."

    Bribed Joe's Folly.

    'A military correspondent with The New York Times has issued the newest bombshell report this weekend which shines a spotlight on not just Ukrainian troops but American and foreign fighters who've volunteered with pro-Kyiv forces and have committed potential war crimes. The report, titled Killings of Surrendering Russians Divide an American-Led Unit, reveals how US troops are participating in units which conduct extra-judicial killings of Russians who have legitimately surrendered.'

    American War Criminals executing Russians?

    'Much of the eyewitness accounts come from a German volunteer identified as Caspar Grosse, a medic in an all-foreign unit led by an American who says he witnessed clear war crimes and that his conscience has forced him to speak out.'

    If they will commit war crimes against Russians, they will commit war crimes against Americans at the Behest of Corrupt Executive Agencies.

    He described how last August, a wounded, unarmed Russian soldier was seeking a peaceful surrender by crawling and calling out to Ukrainian front lines. Grosse relates to the Times that he "saw the soldier plead for medical attention in a mix of broken English and Russian. It was dusk. A team member looked for bandages." And then he was shocked to observe the following turn of events: That is when, Mr. Grosse said, a fellow soldier hobbled over and fired his weapon into the Russian soldier’s torso. He slumped, still breathing. Another soldier fired — "just shot him in the head," Mr. Grosse recalled in an interview.'

    Our government in rebellion against the Rightful Authority of We The People, and we have no idea who is actually operating as Commander in Chief of US forces.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    And you would be assuming wrong. It's quite obvious that saying that they did (or at least Biden... Trump supports Putin) publicly would be counterproductive to Ukraine.

    We don't know. But what difference does it make if it was Putin or Putin's military who said it?
     
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