Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

Right, he said he has seen no evidence of it. To rational, civilized people who defer to civilized due process, this is the same thing. An irrational person who has no respect for our due process or for reason claims the fraud exists anyway without having a shred of evidence.

 

Attorney General William Barr to depart administration, Trump announces

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...trump-announces-n1251189?cid=eml_nbn_20201214

wow.....busy news day !!

 

Uh...hey Trump....hello, McFly....everyone departs in 38 days. You can help each other pack!

 

Indeed!! "Her is our hat and coat......what's your hurry"

 

Well he should! What he did to the American people was inexcusable. He knew what Biden's son and by extension his father was doing, and yet he sat on the information for 2 years. When the New York Post revealed the information in Hunter Biden's computer, the MSM covered it up and called it a conspiracy theory - yet Barr said nothing.

So what happens now if Biden cannot become president, or if he's impeached? Will it make Harris President - even though she is hated by just about everyone, including Blacks?

HEE HAW!​

The media's bought
and on our side,
to help us hide
our 'franken' pride,

of lies, deceits, illicit gain,
hypocrisy and willful shame
of nation; that you all hold dear,
while we could care
less - Jeannette




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Do you think Barr was lying, when he said that authorities have exactly zero evidence of any massive vote fraud? How high and far does your conspiracy theory go? Is Pence in on it? Putin? I have to know.

 

I HAVE moved on! What made you think that I hadn't? I'm not saying that the incredibly SLIM possibility of widespread election fraud which is enough to reverse the election results, means that anything needs to be done about it! I'm simply saying that there is that POSSIBILITY!

I wouldn't take the chance that they might not do it. I would act as if they will definitely do it.

I'm cool with that. My form of dictatorship would be positive. I think that most people would agree with that and would likewise do what they could to try to prevent the next Hitler!

Aren't you saying that the people have the right to vote and their vote should be heard? Why would democracy not be working just because the next Hitler won?

I'm talking about after widespread voter fraud is uncovered after an election. It would be incredibly difficult if not outright impossible to determine whether or not the fraud was actually enough to swing the election.

 

You say "size restrictions", I say truth restrictions, aka lies, aka fake news.

Lie to yourself all you want. I choose not to do that.

 

Why?

So what? What would you do? Apart from vote.

'My form of dictatorship would be positive.' Oh, well that's OK then. Dictate away. You obviously know better than everyone else and the fact that every other Dictator in history has said more or less the same thing is irrelevant. You seem to be a fan of Hitler, at least to the extent you bring him up in every second post. Well history tells us he promised the German people pretty much the same thing, a golden future. Stalin did much the same to the Russian people. Your different how exactly?

My God, you are now literally arguing against yourself. This is exactly what I said if a free and democratic society willingly and freely elects a 'Hitler' into a position of authority knowing in advance the policies he/she intends to implement because he/she has enunciated them (your slavery reference). In that case then 'hooray', democracy has worked - the person who won the most votes is in office. And the people who voted for this person are going to reap what they have sowed. They voted for a Hitler - they get a Hitler and democracy? Well it fails soon afterwards, because a 'Hitler' will never willingly give up the power he/she has won. Look at Putin.

You seem to be under the impression that democracy's job is to elect a 'good' leader, it's not. It's job is to 'elect' the person who wins the most votes. If that person then proceeds to destroy the democracy that elected them? Well its up to the people to fight back, via the ballot box if possible or popular dissent if not. But as I said earlier nothing changes the fact they have reaped what they sowed.

You can count I presume? Well funnily enough so can the officials charged with overseeing elections. And if fraud is detected after the vote that means the fraudulent votes have also been detected. Which means in turn those fraudulent votes can be subtracted from the vote count.

And that is the only time it can be detected, during the original count or in subsequent recounts, as have been conducted this for the recent Presidential election. Digital/archived records of relating to previous elections in the US are apparently kept (to varying degrees) by all or most the States in the US. Dig through them to your hearts content and try to reconstruct previous electoral results. Or invent a time machine. Either way you are literally niggling away at petty details like a dog with a bone. By your admission the chances of fraud occurring and remain undetected are 'slim' (read minute). So go away and worry about all the bad things in life that are waaaay more likely to happen.

FYI I'm pretty much done here. This thread is circling around the drain hole. You keep going over the same points again and again without ever raising any new perspectives. Time for me to 'move on ' - as you keep saying you have but don't.

 

what would be his motivation to lie about it. He has been loyal to Trump, but I guess he figured there was no point in lying anymore to support Trump.

 

If those are his actual words, then obviously he did dispute Trump's claims. Trump claims there was so much fraud that is changed the outcome and hance calls the 2020 elections 'fake elections'.

 

I think he is saying he is not in the US.

 

One in a million?

 

Spooky. Who knew Jim Carrey would be able to 'channel' Donald Trump 25 years ahead of the election result!

 

Why is it a possibility? Uh, because it is a possibility!

Well I'm not thinking of anything specific, but I would do anything that I could which I think could help stop the next Hitler.

I'm seem to be a fan of Hitler because I'm saying that I would try to stop the next Hitler? Surely you cant be serious!

I wouldn't kill hundreds of thousands of people. THAT'S how!

Hence why it would be very important to stop them.

Correct, but overthrowing democracy would be a very responsible thing to do if it was to stop the next Hitler. I would have the vast majority of people on my side.

Easier said than done, considering "a 'Hitler' will never willingly give up the power he/she has won." Now, who said that I wonder.?

 

No. To quote you from post 107. 'I'm not saying that the incredibly SLIM possibility of widespread election fraud which is enough to reverse the election results, means that anything needs to be done about it!

Again 'Why?' As in why bother to say anything, if nothing needs to be done about it! This entire line of argument is redundant - and has been for the beginning! It's merely stating the obvious.

For the rest I'm not going into an ongoing debate. I've made my point. Which is simply that you can't claim the right to use any means possible to stop a future Hitler without becoming one yourself. In this case you have claimed the right to stop him/her by overturning the results of a fair election. You've stated this.

But. Interfering in the election results to prevent him/her winning office means his supporters can and will protest because their democratic rights have been infringed. (Which is true.) They can and undoubtedly will protest and initiate legal action to overturn the result, which again is their democratic/lawful right. And since in this case you have actually interfered in the election to suborn the results there will be evidence of you doing so via recounts/investigations etc. (As opposed to the case with Trump.)

So now you have to overturn due legal process and silence/arrest all the relevant electoral officials and the Courts. More protests. And now you have to use law enforcement and/or the armed forces to shut them down, arresting and imprisoning the protestors in the process. And so on it goes. In short order you end up becoming what you sort to prevent. And all because you 'knew better' than the electorate. In short you have become a dictator. And you are well on your way to becoming the next Hitler because at this point you can't let go of all the strings you've pulled. Not without risking him and his supporters returning to power.

And we'll stop any comparison to Trump's case right here because by your own admission in this hypothetical example you have actually interfered in the outcome of the election. And therefore there will be evidence of you having done so. Not just alleged interference without there actually being any evidence to support the allegation as in his case. Which is also true.

Or in other words the end does not justify the means. Even in the case of a would be Hitler.

 

Well, lets go back to where it all began, in post #30. Your post. Link: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-election-fraud.581963/page-2#post-1072263376

You disagreed with my statement of FACT! And since then, I have demonstrated why you were wrong to disagree.

Again, I wouldn't BE a Hitler! And you know EXACTLY why! If you didn't know before we started this conversation, you should now that I have mentioned what the difference would be.

Nope, I have not claimed the "RIGHT." I have only claimed the JUSTIFICATION!

So the evidence MIGHT be uncovered. So what.

Who, ME? No, I won't be doing any of that. How could I?

 

Look just end this. You can't say on the one hand say that, hypothetically, if you could 'you'd stop 'Hitler' from coming to power by interfering in an election. And then turn around and say on the other hand that you don't (or wouldn't) have to deal with the consequences of that decision. A decision made by you in that very same scenario. Even if it is hypothetical - 'fairies in the bottom of the garden' scenario! You raised it, you own it!

Because otherwise there's no point to raising it in the first place. You either do or do not interfere. Make up your mind. Because if you do choose to interfere then the natural consequences of that decision follow on. And in this case the consequences are what I highlighted.

Unless of course your going to say 'I would wave my magic wand and make it so and no-one would ever find out.' In which case I leave you to reading your fairy tales on the condition you stop bothering the adults in the room.

 

Deal with the consequences? If I get caught, then I get caught. I'll deal with it. What choice would I have?

 

It proves there is nobody hardly left you can trust. The swamp with their deep ties to China and corporate oligarchs have won in part. If they win those 2 elections in Georgia they have won in total.

It was Trump vs almost everybody. Even Foxnews is not to be trusted. Lin wood and Sidney Powell cannot be trusted. What a shame.