So on a basic level Obama made an attemp to fix America's broken health care system which is a whole lot better than anything the Republicans have done. And it will be interesting to see if now that the Republicans control the Legislative branch they manage up to come with any real ideas or just continue to try to destroy the ACA without proposing any alternatives.
You should be aware that the failure to include cost containment is not blamed on either the Republicans or the Democrats but on both parties and the lobbyist influence on politics.
Except in the case of the ACA, one party voted for the law and one party didn't. So yea, lobbyists certainly played their role, but Obama & Democrat's own the ACA and they need to be held accountable. .
No, the GOP loves influence peddling. Although you won't ever see any stories about it in right wing media. You won't see NoiseMax or Fox Noise do a piece on why the House Finanancial Services Committee is called the "Cash Committee". No one in right wing media ever pointed out that Billy Tauzin, the former Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, where he ramrodded Bush's disasterous budget busting Medicare Part D through congress, immediately left for a $2 million a year job with Pharma, the industry lobbying group for big pharma, one of Medicare Part D's major participants. Or how Jim DeMint, cased out of his seat, and his position as paymaster to the tea party, to take a job as bagman for the Heritage Foundation's dark money subsidiary. And right wing media NEVER mentions the fact that the GOP has repeatedly blocked any attempt to right the wrong that is Citizen's United. Indeed, if it says anything, it offers tortured defense based on the idea that speech for sale is the same as free speech.
TF, the thread centers on major influence peddling involving the ACA, which Dem's passed and Obama signed into law. Are you outraged because of it? Are you outraged that Obama & the Dems' lied through their teeth and basically put the screws to a vast majority of hard working Americans to appease the very industry they claimed to be reigning in? Because if not, you're just blowing petty partisan smoke. - - - Updated - - - TF, the thread centers on major influence peddling involving the ACA, which Dem's passed and Obama signed into law. Are you outraged because of it? Are you outraged that Obama & the Dems' lied through their teeth and basically put the screws to a vast majority of hard working Americans to appease the very industry they claimed to be reigning in? Because if not, you're just blowing petty partisan smoke.
Obviously you're either clueless or looking for some rational to justify Obama and Democrat's lying to American people and handing the insurance industry a gift that will be paid for by every tax payer in the country. I don't really care which it is, but don't spew BS about how Obama, on a basic level, made an attempt to fix America's broken health care system when what he did is cease a great deal of power for the federal government, mandate private citizens purchase a product (at whatever cost) from private co's & screw the vast majority in order to do it. And don't spew the crap about Rep's not having ideas to fix problems in the HC system either, that's a flat out lie.
Just repeatedly using the word crap does nothing to disguise your lack of ideas. It does however provide an indication of your intelligence and lack of upbringing.
What gets me people who needed help usually got it, I am on Medicaid in my State on it due to SSI Disability and am getting the care I need. The society offers these generous supports to those in need and anyone can go to the ER and get care and if they are poor enough likely no one will expect them to pay so they get Charity Care and there are free clinics and the Community Health Centers as well with these government supported. But there is an issue of costs and why things are charged the way they are but people tend to be kind to those in need and I haven't met even staunch conservatives who see me and think I don't need the help there is a place for the government to do medical care but its to whom it should go to. Veterans, disabled, poor elderly, pregnant women and of course children seem to be a sensible group to give help to.
And failing to respond with anything remotely worthwhile doesn't disguise your attempt to act far more intelligent than you are. Because fact is. it's not my ideas being debated, it's the lies and failed policy of liberal Democrat's that is. So, simply trying to evade that discussion by deriding me or place blame on others doesn't make you intellectually sharp, it makes you part of the problem. Congrat's!
Finally, a sensible, reasoned response. As a conservative, I agree 100% with your approach to all this. There are others I'd add to your list, but not many. Good job!
Well you are correct in the fact that it is not your ideas being debated. Hard to debate about something that doesn't exist and probably never did and probably never will.
I am curious as to why you would include all veterans in the group. Disabled veterans of course should qualify just like all other disabled persons but is there something special about veterans that should allow them all to qualify for help more than other citizens?
They are a special case they either served the nation in war and were harmed mentally and/or physically OR served career and earned benefits this under the VA system and some will argue for or against this but I don't place them in civilian welfare for those groups I listed and Medicaid was set-up to help.
No I don't. They are paid employees just like every other government employee. Might have been different prior to an all volunteer army. But, note I agree for help for disabled soldiers just as I believe in help for all disabled.
