Disturbing facts about guns

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Galileo, Oct 18, 2023.

  1. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    I think if someone commits suicide with a gun they should be tried for murder….do that a few times and suicides will be less frequent.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    and if they are successful they should get the DEATH PENALTY. that will scare the snot out of them!!!!
     
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    The war on drugs began with requiring catch-22 tax stamps for hemp crops, that were unobtainable without first growing the crop, that was illegal without the tax stamp. This tax stamp was the same method used to restrict 'machine guns'. Both occurred in the late 1930s, and both started to be enforced by law enforcement ('unelected bureaucrats') before there was any voting on them in congress. It was what we would call today 'regulatory authority.'
     
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    It was sarcasm because your side seems content to keep regurgiating the same old talking points while lacking a realistic plan to take on modern militaries with your personally owned guns.
     
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    Guns are the number one cause of death for children and teens.
     
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    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    My side? Have I presented some unrealistic plan?

    Isn’t the old talking point (sarcasm) that you presented unrealistic? Certainly so if one has a bit of knowledge of conflict and world history under their belt.
     
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    How would you know if a plan is realistic or not?

    The government, including the military, is full of soft targets; not all of them - not even most of them - can be protected.
     
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    And...?
     
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    And...?
     
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    but why argue this when the desire to ban guns has nothing to do with saving the lives of children
     
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    most of those claims try to pretend every home is one with drug addicts, wife beaters and unsupervised children running around. My wife and I live alone. twice a week we have a housekeeper. She has a CCW. My 25 year old son can come and go as he pleases. He has a CCW, a black belt and is a national class speed shooter. I have four easily accessible guns. A SIG MCX in my upstairs office. A FAXON 9MM AR 15 in the bedroom. A mossberg 500 shotgun in a walk in closet and a Remington 870 in the basement. The anti gun studies would claim those guns are not stored safely and I would agree IF i had adults or children I did not know in the home. We do not. so for MY SITUATION, the weapons are plenty secure since we have a top of the line cordless alarm system, cameras etc.
     
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    Gun safety is a favorite mindless talking point among the anti gun lot along with calls for training requirements, yet none provide detail on what those talking points actually logically mean.
    I live alone in an apartment, my guns, some of considerable value locked behind closed doors (some in a safe) and guarded by someone with 60 years of experience with firearm. Safely stored? As good as a bank.
    When my girls were growing and living with me, I had started their training from about the age of 5, both with guns and martial arts. By the time they were 10, both could safe virtually any firearm they might encounter, and both became exceptional, safe shots.by age 12, I trusted their competence and character enough that both knew the combination to my gun safe, had their own rifles.
    Both my girls are now married to police officers, and both I’d trust with my life.
    Part of gun safety is the training of those in your household.
    Anti gun types mouth the talking points but really have no real Idea what they are talking about and most think it advisable not to expose children to firearms or to teach children about gun safety
    , character and responsible behavioir a failure of parenting in my opinion.
     
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    Correct, it’s about identifying and harassing those that don’t follow the collective’s political agenda.
     
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    Atomic bombs don't kill people, people kill people.

    Sheesh, both kill people and the solution will involve both.
     
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    Let's cut through the rhetoric. Your personal experience with firearms, laudable as it may be, doesn't necessarily reflect the societal norm. You've managed to safely store your guns and educate your children in gun safety, but this isn't a universal standard. The crux of gun safety advocacy isn't about individual discipline or knowledge; it's about broader public safety where such standards might not be consistently upheld.

    Now, about your assumptions regarding "anti-gun types." You paint them as uninformed and lacking real understanding of firearms. However, many who support gun control are well-versed in firearms and their safe handling. Their advocacy isn't born from ignorance but from a desire to prevent accidents and misuse on a larger scale.

    Exposing children to firearms and training them is your choice and it's worked for you. But to claim that not doing so is a failure of parenting? That's a sweeping generalization. The reality is, in environments where strict safety measures are not enforced, early exposure to firearms can be risky.

    You seem to lump all gun safety advocates into one homogenous group lacking in practical understanding. This is far from accurate. Many are quite knowledgeable and their focus is on measures like background checks, secure storage laws, and mandatory training to enhance public safety.

    Your understanding of gun safety, rooted in personal responsibility and training, is valid for you. But remember, this is a multifaceted issue. Others view it through the lens of legislative measures to ensure a baseline level of safety for everyone.

    So, while your personal approach to gun safety is commendable, it doesn't singlehandedly address the diverse and complex perspectives surrounding gun safety and control in our society.
     
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    There's a saying, "The truth hurts".

    So the American gun brigade will find this thread hurtful. Thank you for the info, very interesting facts.
     
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    If the constitution says Americans can have guns and it is such a big deal, then imagine how much money could be raised if every bullet sold had a 100$ tax on each one.
    The right to bear arms remains, but costs a lot of money.
     
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    why suggest nonsense that you know is clearly unconstitutional. This silly suggestion has been eviscerated dozens of times on this board. Think how much money could be raised if people who post silly unconstitutional suggests had to pay 100 dollars for each post they made?
     
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    the anti gun left is dishonest. that has been proven hundreds of times. From calling AR 15s "weapons of war" to pretending that people who aren't deterred by the consequences of being found guilty of mass murders, will be deterred by a silly malum prohibitum gun law
     
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    that is hilarious given most of the anti gun studies try to extrapolate those who misuse guns upon the rest of us. You all are not GUN SAFETY advocates-you are gun banners. I realize it has become fashionable to the gun banning left to try to conceal their real goals by pretending bans, restrictions and harassment is SAFETY. It's not.
     
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    I also like a good platitude... "When guns are outlawed, only OUTLAWS will have guns!" Have a lovely day.
     
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    Why is the cost of something unconstitutional?
     
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    I guess you cannot understand that such a tax INFRINGES on the right of the people to keep and bear arms-ammo being a part of arms.

    Do you actually think your silly proposal is novel?
     
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    Just show everyone your studies debunking the ones in the op's link. Baseless posts are nothing but hot air quips.
     

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