Do Not Give Conservatives Control of Our Economy

Again we see you mixing up opinion and fact...

 

I am sorry to say, I do agree with M2. Australia seems to be behind in education standards for age. What measures are used makes a large difference to the ratings of a countries educational standards

 

efjay,
that sets us apart.
I reflect on own experiences, and know obviously a different bunch of people.
I would love tho see more people talking about what they went through themselves or saw themselves or discovered themselves as compared to the devote Sunday Times reader...
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Garry,
why are you sorry to say? Am I that bad? You're ruining my day mate,
regards

 

Because all efforts by Australian educators and government to actually do something about this seems more directed at misleading the public into believing something that would appear not to be true. I am sorry to say (not to reflect on you or your opinion) that this is only hurting the people of Australia and politicians are just paying money to mislead Australia on how good a job they are supposedly doing rather than actually educating the people.

It is not that you are bad, it is that your news that Australia in this area is bad. I would rather trumpet the great aspects of education system in Australia but really it is behind many nations of the world. It is not the worst but it is not as good as made out to be.

 

A huge issue that is extremely prevalent in Australia is parents apathy regarding education, as was alluded to in the other thread. Many parents and grandparents reflect on their own experiences when jobs were plentiful and education wasn't important in attaining many jobs. It's not the quality of education being delivered it is how we value education collectively. This will be obviously be reflected in standards.

 

Perhaps it is apathy regarding education, but I am more to the issue that politically the government of today and the past has attempted to say that Australia is a leading example to the rest of the world in education. One area Australia is a leader is that all Australians have access to educated. As time goes by this is becoming a different area as money is getting involved. Even public education is no longer free...

But to the actual education of the students, Australia would very much be behind the rest of the world for age. At a price, any student can gain similar educational standards to the highest of the world’s educators. But to the average student, it is unfortunate that they have not got the same opportunity.

 

There are some stats somewhere on-line that suggests we are 22nd out of 50 with regards to educational standards. Not sure how they measure this though - possibly the 50 countries agreed to partipate in testing?????

We do have plenty of access to education, which you would think comes back to the value issue as opposed to anything else.

Universities actually proclaimed that we had the best educational standards in the world until the dollar reached parity and beyond, so not sure whether international students chose australian education on quality or financial viability.

 

Yes, after nearly 20 years of labor state governments being in charge of delivering education we now see a large percentage of children coming out of school with very poor levels of literacy and numeracy skills. It is not just primary schools and high schools either, tertairy and university standards were also dumbed down by Labor and their do-gooder, apologist, cafe latta supporters. I have seen what is now required to obtain the same educational awards that I studied for decades ago and I am appalled and how easy they have now made it.
I have said this before but I think I should say it again now, a couple of years back we employed a girl from the Phillipines in an admin position and her english language skills were noticably better than the Australian girls we had. This is someone who didn't even speak english as a first language and didn't even learn to speak, read and write english in an english speaking country! Her english literacy skills said volumes about the standard of teaching in Australia.

 

To be fair, they balanced the debt situation during a time of massive taxation income. The could have succumbed (more) to the desire to spend. They did better than many nations during the same period. They could have done better still, but such is democracy that people (on aggregate) want it all and they want it now.

 

What did they fail to do AM?

How are requirements different these days that have made it easier?

Right, and this has to do with teaching standards...How?, please explain.

They're just throw away lines if you haven't got anything significant to support your statements.

 

I think they solved the debt by selling off the family silverware, but perhaps I'm too picky. My big problem with them was that they didn't do much that was very constructive. No nation-building. You can see it with the Coalition right now, canning the NBN. It's just partisan politics and I suspect it's about protecting their mates in free to air and pay tv from the threat posed by fibre to the home.

 

If Howard had high interest rates dont forget he inherited the recession we had to have from Keating.

So in effect it was Keating who gave us the high interest rates not Howard.

And i'm a labor supporter, truth must be told.

 

What's this in response to dumb?

 

the interest rate discussion in this thread.

not directed at anyone in particular.

 

Howard delivered us high interests rates when he was treasurer, they actually reached 22%.

Check out the graph from the RBA on original post dumb and let me know what your thoughts are. Keating brought us through a "World" economic recession and still brought us miles out in front compared to the top 18 developed countries. Howard was a deceptive little germ who got lucky. Firstly howard rode off the back of keating after stuffing up the economy when he was treasurer, and then leading the country through a huge upturn in the worlds economy. I'm simply sick of their deceptive lying politics, and the pals in the mainstream media.

 

The only thing that could possibly lift the GDP ratio so much would be the sale of new homes and we know that during the Hawk/Keating banks were deregulated and lent money to every man and his dog which started to push housing prices through the roof.

I'm not 100% sure but if this rise GDP per capita didn't come from the sale of new homes (cause they were gatting expensive) where did it come from?

interest rates
http://australianpolitics.com/topics/rba/interest-rates-since-1990

 

Howard the turd, and one of his successors known by the alias phony tried their best to corner the Australian people by bringing in work choices after allowing open slather on the property market. "Lets get as many people into debt as much as we can, then control them by dropping their wages". "We've already convinced them that Labor aren't worthy of managing the economy, so they will put all their trust in us". " They're too stupid to know the difference, and we will rule for years while giving our buddies in the corporate world an opportunity to rule these inferior low life's". Australia woke up to part of the game but haven't heard the full story thanks to the force field of protection - Murdoch and buddies!


Figure 8: Household debt
Household debt as percentage of household disposable income




Figure 5: Government spending
Total government expenditure as a percentage of GDP, average for each period


The coalition gets away with telling the Australian people that labor are the big spenders......He was a big spending slob who invested nothing into our nation. He was an ego-centric nutter who didn't know when to pull the pin.

 

That is the question, how do they measure it. There is another set of stats the government proudly tout as being representative; Australia is second or third on that list... But as many experiences have demonstrated, when students move between countries Australia is well behind other countries and rarely on par.

Yes apparently access stands big in these stats as well.

University is on very good terms with the educational standards of the world. Before cost was not really a consideration, but yes it was far cheaper for international students than it is now. This has created a culture of preference of international students ( not admitted by any government) due to the fact the pay for their studies where Australian's defer it to borrowings. However, university entry level is also compromised by lower standards of education of Australian students, which perpetuates a system (for the university side) of drawing more international students to fill seats.

Unfortunately, the government and the opposition would rather use this as a political football than actually fix it.

 

There, there TV, nasty Howard hasn't held office for 6 years now, he can't hurt you anymore. Go and make yourself a nice cup of tea and have a little rest.

 

Yeap,
we only lost 11 years under Howard, we could have used in better ways....

 

Looks to me like you are a victim of the poor literacy skills delivered by the state Labor governments.

More airy-fairy, warm and fuzzy subjects that have little to do with performing the envisioned job and less practical, hands on, what-to-do, how-to-do subjects. Much lighter content and multiple chances at exams or a series of small exams instead of one big exam and no final project or assignment that tests comprehension and application of all the subject matter contained in the whole course.

Looks like they not only failed to provide you with good literacy skills they also failed to teach you any comprehension skills as well.

 

Sure, could have completely destroyed the economy by now.

 

You were just grasping at straws buddy, simply just to out stuff that belongs in here , which frankly had no rhyme nor reason. I gotta say you're not a good example of academia from decades ago. You'd expect intelligent responses for starters, therefore gives the impression that tertiary education was lacking profusely back then as opposed to now.

What a load of codswallop! You've got no idea buddy have you?

Yep, I'm a product of my own failures. But then again some of us weren't blessed with intrinsic intelligence.....you can pick me, I've got nothing to hide!!!!

 

Yes, i agree with you too. They did sell off some stuff: the Telstra debacle is why the NBN costs as much as it does.

 

Why be like that? He sold off national assets (you're against that); he signed us up to the JSF without consideration of defence needs (i think you're against that); He tried to frak us over re the PBS (you'd be against that); he gave wealthy people (and corporations) extra with private health subsidies and super tax breaks that most help the wealthier (you'd be against that); he sent us to an illegal and strategically flawed war that saw little but massive extortion by US corporations and massive death and misery. And his government was somehow involved in the AWB 'scandal' etc, etc. Stuff that you'd be opposed to yet you make a trite and pointless (unless it's sole purpose is to bait/troll) comment like that. Why?