Do Republicans back Joe's proxy war in Ukraine?

Joe told a whopper of a lie and most of the public believed it.

He simply stated that Russia had made an unprovoked attack on Ukraine. It wasn't true, but a lot of the US public believed it.


After years of provocation, after the Warsaw Pact disbanded, NATO continued to grow, ever closer to Russia.

Pres. Putin gave an ultimatum that neither Georgia nor Ukraine was to join NATO.

In November 2021 Joe had a long phone call with Zelenskyy who had won the election as the 'Peace Candidate', and Biden told Zelenskyy that if he crossed the red line Putin had drawn, the US would back him. Z seems to have failed to realize that backing isn't the same as protection.

The US supplied lots of weapons and Kyiv already had a lot of tanks and recruited some more soldiers, and with an army, a lot bigger than Russia could field in that area, he massed on and near the border while Azov fired artillery at the Russian speaking areas of Donbas on Feb 14th, and then on Feb 24th Russia moved in to protect Donbas.

So who had the initiative?

The Democrats. They raised articles of impeachment against Donald Trump for freezing a massive load of new weapons to Ukraine, and once Biden got in, gained approval to send 700 million dollars worth of weapons over, and then some more, and then 34,700,000,000 dollars of the best weapons over.

Who acted in self-defense?

Ukraine is on the border of Russia. Having NATO-trained forces and a huge amount of NATO weapons there was stepping the provocation up another notch, and Pres. Putin had already said not to do it.

The US stands by the Monroe Doctrine of no foreign forces within the Western hemisphere.

The Ukraine is not in the Western Hemisphere.

The Ukraine means a lot to Russia and really nothing to the US.

 

What this shows is that people are gullible.
Even committed Republicans will believe what a very unpopular Democrat says, for no reason other than he said it.

 

Surprise. Some do and some don't. Why would you think they all have the same opinions?

 

You say that as though Putin has any right to make such a condition.

"The Ukraine means a lot to Russia and really nothing to the US."

What does that have to do with Putin's unprovoked attack? It's both comical and deceitful that you try to justify the invasion........or deflect blame where it does not belong.

 

It sounds like we are now at some level of acceptance.

Just last week it was still: "Ukraine performed no military action against Russia, sorry but UNPROVOKED."
(in the thread: It is Biden's War http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/it-is-bidens-war.601530/)


Here's the way things usually develop:

The earliest known substantive match occurred in a speech delivered by Nicholas Klein at a convention of the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America in 1918. Emphasis added to excerpts by QI:[1]

And my friends, in this story you have a history of this entire movement. First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you.

And that is what is going to happen to the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America.

 

"Pres. Putin gave an ultimatum that neither Georgia nor Ukraine was to join NATO."


What if NATO decided they didn't want Belarus to be a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization with Russia (which they currently belong to) and gave a similar ultimatum would it be ok for them to send troops into that country?
Aren't there a huge amount of Russian military in Belarus right next to Poland?
Would that be a legal justification to you?

 

Have you investigated Poland's opinion?

They advocated keeping the Ukraine as an autonomous buffer state.

 

Unfortunately the War Party is bipartisan and with Trump not starting any new wars and insisting that NATO pay their fair share, they formed up to expel Trump.

FALLOUT: Czech Republic To Buy 24 F-35s to Modernize Air Fleet in Wake of Ukraine War, Ministry Announces. “The Czech Republic plans to purchase 24 F-35 Lightning II stealth fighters to replace their current fleet of 14 Gripen fighter jets, the defense ministry announced Wednesday, in the latest move by Prague to rapidly move toward NATO-standard weapons in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.”

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"Performance-wise, replacing 14 Gripens with 24 F-35s is like trading in your Honda Accord for a pair of Corvettes."



NATO is Big Business for the Military Industrial Complex:

"Last month, Cernochova said the Czech Republic will also replace its Soviet-era Mi-17, Mi-2, Mi-8, and Mi-24 helicopters with UH-1Y Venom and AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters. In the same announcement, Cernochova said Prague would also like to buy beyond the existing fleet size of 12 because “the war in Ukraine clearly showed that close air support is vital in a conventional conflict.”

If there is conflict with Russia and their Soviet equipment attrits, if their people have not trained on NATO equipment, it makes resupply very difficult. So, every time a Soviet supplied military migrates to NATO they need all their military systems upgraded, Cha Ching!

 

I think most Americans would accept that NATO is offering former Soviet countries entry, to make money selling US weapons to them.

But it does look possibly a bit scary from Moscow's perspective when it involves missiles potentially being placed just 8 minutes flight time from Moscow.

 

East Germany was in the Warsaw Pact.
West Germany was in NATO.
When Russia agreed to the reunification of Germany, we agreed that NATO would not move 1 inch closer to Moscow, we're repeatedly broken that commitment.

Zelensky banning Ukrainian Orthodox Church

Our liberal 'ally' is a church banner?


'Banning a church–especially one that represents millions of Ukrainians–is more than a bad look. It is simply bad.'



'Collectively punishing an entire religious group/institution because some members are bad actors is unjust and illiberal.'

'It’s time to reign in Zelensky, lest we just create another tyrant in the midst of Europe.'

 

Probably because he is use to regimes where certain opinions are not allowed so everyone is either forced to have the allowed opinion or pretend to have the allowed opinion.

 

If the truth could be known, likely an equal number of Republicans and Democrats have a vested interest in the success of the military industrial complex. War is good for profits, and politicians routinely violate their oath of office.