Do viruses exist?

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  1. pitbull

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    Too late for the question.
    Covid caused lot of trouble ....
     
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    Addressed, but not debunked. Let's hear you debunk it instead of just badmouthing it.
     
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    It is a video and it could be anyone saying anything

    me? I believe sites like Cochrane, BMJ, NICE guidelines etc etc etc
     
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    Do viruses exist ?

    ~ Obviously something exists that causes sickness and disease to living creatures — and also does some good as well . Call it what you like. Maybe it's all magic✨️ ..? :confuse:'
    ~ It is now obvious that the Covid-19 virus was manipulated by scientists in a gain-of-function experiment and does not behave as a naturally occurring virus. There is much to "discover" about this man-made nuisance — but so far we only have selective ignorance from government "experts" responsible for public health.
     
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    Ignorance and deception.
     
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    Exactly what evidence do you need? You are citing a study from the 80's. You do realize there is a huge amount of accumulated data that determines that HIV is the cause of AIDS. You can't dwell on a few ancient studies when there is a plethora of more recent evidence. You can find all the evidence you need by looking at the research -- there is a huge body of research out there.

    As for the absolute ridiculous notion that viruses don't exist, I can't even fathom how you can believe that. Are you ignoring the reams of evidence that demonstrates they do exist.

    Here are some examples of illnesses/diseases caused by viruses -- influenza, measles, polio, AIDS, COVID-19, the common cold, Ebola, genital herpes, chickenpox and shingles.

    If viruses do not exist, what causes these illnesses/diseases?

    I don't know what your point about exosomes actually is. Exosomes are secreted by all types of cells. They share structural similarity with viruses. Exosomes are produced by virus-infected cells and they play a crucial role in mediating communication between infected and uninfected cells. The virus that causes covid-19 -- SARS-CoV-2 -- controls the production and composition of exosomes in order to promote infection, transmission, and spread between cells.

    As cited:

    The results of this study compel us to conclude that, while the particles observed in PGL lymph nodes are indeed HIV, morphologically similar particles can be seen in other reactive conditions, and the presence of such particles do not, by themselves, indicate infection by HIV.

    With the reams and reams of current research related to exosomes, all the above is saying that you can't diagnose that HIV is present by relying on the presence of morphologically similar particles alone because even though the exosomes might be similar to HIV, they may not be related to HIV at all.


    Of course an exosome is not a virus and a virus is not an exosome. Because viruses require a living cell to replicate, it's quite difficult to grow them in laboratory conditions like bacteria. However, most viruses can be grown in cultured cells -- eg., embryonated hen's eggs or laboratory animals.

    This link discusses the cultivation and assay of viruses -- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7173454/

    This link is an educational description of how viruses are cultivated in the lab setting -- https://ecampusontario.pressbooks.p...lation-culture-and-identification-of-viruses/

    This link explains the three techniques of virus culturing -- https://microbiologyinfo.com/techniques-of-virus-cultivation/

    If what they were culturing were only exosomes, the cultures would grow nothing.
     
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    I just came across this. I've only had time to scan it a little but I'm posting it anyway.

    Dr. Merritt Interview with Poornima Wagh PhD Virology
    https://republicbroadcasting.org/news/dr-lee-merritt-interviews-poornima-wagh-phd-virology/


    It sounds like these two doctors think virus don't exist. I'm going to watch the whole thing tomorrow. Maybe they'll talk about these pictures supposedly taken of viruses with electron microscopes.
    https://www.bing.com/images/search?...mages&form=HDRSC2&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle
    https://www.bing.com/search?q=virus...26544E91A58203FD9AD0A256&FORM=QBLH&sp=3&ghc=1
     
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    See batshit, post batshit.

    Zero scientific analysis on even the participants! Did it even cross your mind that Merritt is not qualified, she is a damn orthopedic surgeon! and that Wagh is a big phoney?

    The Sad Tale of Poornima Wagh - by Bill Huston (substack.com)
    Is Poornima Wagh a Fraud? | weehingthong

    Questioning Virologist Dr. Poornima Wagh's Credentials - Truth Comes to Light
    The Search for Wagh’s Claimed Ph.D.s
    Wagh is claiming dual Ph.D.s in virology and immunology, both granted simultaneously by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, in December 2016. These claimed advanced degrees — which would be a precious professional commodity — do not so much as appear on any CV or résumé that we have found. Further, Wagh claims to be unemployed.

    In a recent interview with Planet Waves FM, Wagh hedged on admitting the exact title of her claimed doctoral thesis, only giving its approximate topic — “malaria and HIV co-infection.” She said this one paper was the basis of not one but two Ph.D. degrees, which she claims were both awarded in December 2016.

    But after exhaustive searches over the past six weeks, not one reference to her doctoral credentials can be found. All that exists is a CV which claims undergraduate work and a master’s degree in finance, and résumés which claim she has taken undergrad science courses and worked in laboratories as a technician.

    Regarding access to her claimed doctoral thesis, Wagh told Planet Waves FM, “It should be available in the library.”

     
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    At the 1:12:05 time mark Dr, Poornima says that she analysed the vaccine and describes what she found.
     
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    I would like to ask her what she thinks causes smallpox.

    The Eradication Of Smallpox | Invisible Killers
     
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    She is not a doctor, she is a lying fraud.

    Ironically she probably knows as much as you do, nothing.

    Australian National Review - Eric Coppolino Exposes Poornima Wagh as a Fraud
    "Poornima says she has two PhDs in virology and the virus doesn’t exist. She’s lying about both.

    I have been trying to interview Poornima Wagh for weeks because what she said in interviews made no sense to me. I was told by Lee Merritt who interviewed her that she is now camera shy after her interviews and doesn’t want to talk to me.

    I checked with Jessica Rose, who agreed that what Poornima said didn’t make any sense to her either. She looked up her credentials and found they didn’t exist.

    Eric Coppolino found exactly the same thing Jessica did: she’s a total fraud. This is why Poornima was so camera shy.

    He wrote a brilliant Substack about it.

    What we still don’t know is why she is fabricating all this stuff.

    I have the same problem with any of the leaders of the “virus denier” movement. Tom Cowan, Sam Bailey, Mark Bailey, Andrew Kaufman, Jon Rappoport, and others are all camera shy. There’s a reason for that: they would be exposed as frauds in minutes.

    Summary
    The unwillingness to have a friendly discussion on camera with experts having differing views is generally the most obvious sign you aren’t getting the truth.

    See my article on how to tell who is telling you the truth for more info."

    Charlatan's Web - by Eric F. Coppolino (substack.com)


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    Do you know how many jokes there are about orthopaedic surgeons?

    What is the difference between an orderly and an Orthopaedic surgeon?

    Orderly knows the name of TWO antibiotics!
     

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