Do weak Presidents start more wars?

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Do weak Presidents start more wars?

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  1. ToughTalk

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    Do you think biden's taking any responsibility over the f****** border mess that he's created?

    Do you think biden's taking any responsibility for the newland phone call that was leaked. The phone call that Russia is pointing at and saying to the world "see under the Obama Biden administration the United States was interfering with Ukraine politics!"

    Biden's foreign policies are bad. is domestic policies are bad. He's a divisive senile piece of s***.

    And I cannot wait until we pivot away from him and the DNC.

    The world is fractured into two halves right now and it didn't need to be this way. And you can lay a lot of that blame on failed foreign policies which Biden perpetuates
     
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    He didn't create the border mess.
    It's been that way for decades.

    And he pushed a bipartisan plan with Senate to address border issues.
    But the R House and the incumbent loser X president, halted it.
     
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    His messaging leading into his presidency has been all.about open boarders. And then he gets in and exec orders to strike down all of Trump's policies.

    It's absolutely biden's mess.
     
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    So, you are claiming there was no bipartisan border plan done by the Senate that Biden supported? And the House and trump rejected?
    Is that what you're claiming?
     
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    No, you didn't read what I wrote. What I claimed was that biden's messaging about his policy on the border was very inviting and that led to the drastic increase in spike of encounters. Literally the month he took office.

    He further made things worse by using his executive orders in his first few months of presidency to strike down all of Trump's old border policies, some of which in a panic he's reinstated including building the racist trump wall.

    Since day one, Biden has not been serious about border security.

    When someone says that the wave of immigration will not stop nor should we want it to stop, take them at their word.
     
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    That of course is the RW conspiracy theory opinion.

    I say, the end of the pandemic led to an increase in migration.

    But Biden, Dems, and R's put a plan to address the border.
    The R's in the house and trump rejected a border plan.

    Let's deal with the present and not the past.

    If the border and immigration were truly an issue, the R's would be working on a plan. But they aren't. And they reject the one on the table without even having discussed it.
     
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    Are you trying to suggest that it was just all coincidence that the border encounters suddenly spiked the exact month he took office is that your contention?

    I don't want you to get confused but come January 2025 when Trump retakes office don't be confused when the border encounters tank hard.

    People are not going to be willing to try to cross illegally if they know that it's not friendly open Arms waiting for them
     
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    No. Did you read what I posted?
    The pandemic ended.

    trump never addressed the border except with a pandemic induced clause of national health.
    And that ended with the end of the pandemic.

    Remember, I don't believe the conspiracy theory sources.
     
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    Trump's numbers. (notice the sharp spike in Jan 2021)
    upload_2024-2-18_17-18-4.png
    Your interpretation and explanation of events is ridiculous. Trump's numbers needed work. But I never thought they would hit the levels the idiot in charge aspired to get to.

    "AN UNRELENTING STREAM OF IMMIGRATION. NON STOP. NON STOP."


    Biden put out the invite and they came.
    upload_2024-2-18_17-19-53.png

    Trump will get immigration back in check. And it will make you upset and you will call him racist but he will do what the DNC and Biden either are incapable of doing or refuse to do.
     
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    Weak leaders start wars. Remember Neville Chamberlain? He was so scared and committed to avoiding war that he took Hitler's word and went home spewing propaganda about "Peace in Our Time". Hitler saw the weakness and attacked Poland soon thereafter.

    Biden ran away from Afghanistan in such a cowardly rush that he armed the terrorist Taliban on the way out. Putin saw this and attacked Ukraine. Biden's continued cowardice in allowing China to violate our airspace without any repercussions, allowed Russia to splash our Predator over international waters and more enabled Hamas to attack Israel. America has always been the stabilizing force in the world and remained so under Trump. Then Biden's cowardice hit the scene and war broke out all over.
     
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    So, erm, exactly what I said then? Weak leaders don't start wars, but their efforts to avoid them sometimes lead to them happening anyway.
     
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    Weakness causes wars. Aggressors see weakness as an OPPORTUNITY. This has been true from Neville Chamberlain to Putin in modern times.
     
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    You confirmed. After the pandemic ended. Thx.
     
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    I've posted this dozens and dozens of times. Under Biden we've been apprehending the most in history.
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    US border apprehensions (usafacts.org)

    ...
    Notice how low it was during Obama/Biden.

    No policies changed between Obama, the 2x impeached, and Biden.
    Except for the pandemic health issue plan trump got to implement.

    But, Biden and bipartisan Senate crafted a plan and passed it. Only to have trump and House R's reject it.

    You can't fool me with conspiracy theories.
     
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    And yet when I look over at New York and Washington...they seem to both be having a migrant crisis because Texas keeps sending the migrants their way.

    So...ya. Biden has been apprehending lots!

    But it's not enough.

    Because he refuses to actually solve the problem.

    Remain in Mexico. Was a trump policy Biden struck down when he first came in on his high horse. Only to later reimplement it. The racist wall that Trump wanted to build was halted...ended the travel ban from 14 countries. Reimplemented protections for DACA. And reigned in deportation practices from immigration enforcement and ICE.

    All things which help to signal.

    "An unrelenting wave of immigration. Non stop. Non stop."

    So that's what you got.

    Covid has been over since 2021. Biden. Has yet o have secured the border.

    Because he doesn't really want to.
     
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    Yes. No one claimed more are not coming. I've showed you how many apprehensions there have been.

    There was the 2x impeached that said he would build a wall. And MEXICO will PAY for it.
    Never happened.
    Candidates say all sorts of silly things.

    The only president this century to get a bill passed to address the border issue is Biden.

    And trump and house R's rejected it.
    trump accomplished nothing on border policy. But for the pandemic EO for national health reasons.

    I can't believe the lie he doesn't want to solve the problem. He was for the bipartisan Senate plan.
    The one who rejected the plan it trump.

    Stay current on issues if you want to talk about them.
     
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    That bill would have only further incentivised people to flood the gate. Why?

    Because it would reduce processing time to a few days instead of years!

    Process in all these new voters just in time for an election!

    And before you try and tell me that it would shut down the border for 6 months if more than 5000 apprehensions happened in a day, you are trying to con a con man.

    You can't tell me that Biden...who is suppose to secure the ****ing border regardless and who hasn't for 4 ****ing years would suddenly find the will and desire to do so because this aid package to Ukraine was passed

    The bill was garbage.

    Biden wanted an "unrelenting wave of immigration. Non stop. Non stop."

    And that's what we have now
     
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    LOL. Why not just copy/paste fox lies transcripts?
     
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    I'm sorry what did you think I lied about?
     
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    We've seen 'weak' presidents start wars -- as well as confused, stupid ones, too! But we need to add another category -- for presidents whose policies were failing during a prolonged period of economic distress! Nothing generates instant prosperity like getting the country up to its eyeballs in a WAR!

    Think objectively about the wars we were got into, starting in the year 1900. Go ahead! Who were the presidents? And, just for fun, how many of them were Democrats? How many were Republicans?

    Hmm... yes, it was "W" Bush (Republican) who got us into the big Iraq/Afghanistan war(s). Now, let's count the Democrats:

    Woodrow Wilson -- World War I
    Frankie Roosevelt -- World War II
    Harry Truman -- Korean War
    Lyndon Johnson -- Vietnam War
    Bill Clinton -- Balkans War

    And today, as we're about to find ourselves ever closer to war in either Eastern Europe, the Middle East, or in Taiwan, who will be sitting in the White House? Some Republican? NOT LIKELY! :disbelief:
     
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    I love how the right can't even figure out how they want to blame Biden for Ukraine. Half of them tell me that Putin invaded Ukraine because Biden was weak and the other half tell me Putin invaded because Biden was too aggressive with Russia. Ask any right wingers what Biden should do, even when they claim Biden was too weak, they say Biden should stop providing aid and just stay completely out of the conflict . . . the only way you can get weaker than that against Russia is to go full Trump.
     
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    Weak presidents start wars because Bullies like Putin, XI and the Iranian Billy Goat know they can walk all over them. For all his faults, Trump was unpredictable. Biden is easy to read. He's old and weak and controlled by people who went to the Neville Chamberlain School of foreign policy. If give the Hitlers of the world what they want, they will only want more.
     
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    Source? That's pretty speculative. Nuclear weapons were barely ready for prime time even from the US later. They were delivered on a country that had few targets to choose from as it was almost completely devastated by conventional bombing already. Fortunately it served as a nice excuse for Japan to save face while surrendering. The wonder weapons were not going to turn the tide of war on either side.

    We won for a few reasons. Stalin is probably the biggest reason. Hitler's mistakes were another. Had Hitler not ordered the advance on dunkirk paused, had he focused on destroying the RAF instead of British cities, had he realized the importance of submarines over battleships, had he not focused so much on Stalingrad, had Stalin and his people not been so incredibly resilient and ruthless, the war at the very least would have been longer with a less certain ultimate outcome. Hitler got lucky in the Ardennes early on (i.e. allies not believing their own intelligence and so not picking off the vulnerable germans from the air) - his early success there was luck.

    Japan wasn't really close. They knew they were no match for us industrially but miscalculated that our resolve would be weak. The only real difficulty with them is we demanded unconditional surrender and they were unwilling to give it to us until their last hope for securing a conditional surrender faded with the invasion of the soviets (who they had previously sought to mediate surrender conditions with the US, knowing the soviets would not want surrender conditions to be too favorable for the US).
     
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    Pretty much your entire post
     
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    I literally posted you a video of Biden declaring EXACTLY what I had quoted...

    So. Man you fail hard.

    Here...because I love posting this ****. (take note of the incompetent prick sitting beside Biden there, smiling away!)


    Crazy how a guy who preached

    "an UNRELENTING wave of immigration, NON STOP NON STOP" has an "UNRELENTING wave of immigration, NON STOP NON STOP" once he gets elected into power. So much so that the southern states, like Texas have been forced to take matters into their own hands even if it risks a civil war.

    Color me shocked!

    SHOCKED I say!
     
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