Do you believe health care should be a right?

Discussion in 'Health Care' started by jakem617, Feb 11, 2014.

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Should people have a right to healthcare?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    They have some value but in the end the state should oversee the overall morality development and education of children to suit the good of the body politic, parents should have modest say in this but not full.
     
  2. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    You are scary!
     
  3. jakem617

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    Right, cause Hitler and Stalin did EXCELLENT jobs at instilling a good sense of morality in Germany and Russia. In fact, history tells us that the state has an excellent record of instilling good morals into people. You really are scary. I looked closer at your avatar though and it all makes sense. Maybe if you learned that you have to work for things to be produced, you would understand how the world actually works. Until then though, my only hope is that you figure it out someday, until then though, you are only going to be bitter and continue blaming others for your problems and I do pity you for that.
     
  4. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    No one should have to work at all we have more than enough technology and resources to assure everyone is provided for and free them from drudgery, then if they want to do more they can or not. By now working could be a thing of the past or something you do a few hours a week or if one has a passion. I favor ending work and doing with less luxuries to do so but freeing humanity from want. Plus it makes me legit for charity help to as a disabled citizen I can hit up non-profits as well.

    I hate working when I did work I did it as little as I could and now being disabled I can look forward to Medicaid, an SSI check for more than I ever made working, food stamps and even a government paid cell phone I never owned one before. Its a Slackers ideal getting a check and support for nothing and its all legal I just need to get it all verified. With all the doctors, physical therapists and a government vocational office saying I cannot do "meaningful work" I have a good shot at these goodies. And I vote I have a right as a citizen to vote for a government that will give me these benefits - ah Democracy.

    And its all legal.
     
  5. longknife

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    Is this for real? :roll:

    You truly mean what you wrote in this? :steamed:

    If nobody produces anything, how do you propose we get the food we eat, the clothes we wear, and the PC you're using to type the above? :eyepopping:
     
  6. Mr_Truth

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    Nor does that mean that taxpayers should have to subsidize Fortune 500 company employees nor foreigners who live in Israel, Iraq, and Afghanistan. You know, the old what's good for the goose is good for the gander idea ...
     
  7. Lil Mike

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    I for one, appreciate your honesty. I wish the rest of the left was as honest about their intentions as you are.

    Congrats!
     
  8. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since healthcare is a service, shouldn't all services be a right? I mean, why tax or spend anything, just make everyone work in the service industry for free for your fellow man.

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    I mean, what is a person to do when they staple their finger?

    Since all of my meaningful work is done sitting in front of a PC like the previous poster that is unfit for meaningful work sitting in front of his PC posting, shouldn't I be classified as disabled?
     
  9. Mr_Truth

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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you are still spewing that crap? I have exposed it in another thread that the group that provided that poll is a left wing biased group that I see you purposely left out in this post

    Beware of Kaiser Family Foundation’s poll on health care ‘reform’
    - See more at: http://www.businessword.com/?/weblog....geoJYTzf.dpuf

    here are the unbiased polls on Obama care repeal

    Repeal of Health Care Law: Favor/Oppose

    RCP Average 6/28 - 12/16 -- 52.3 42.8 Favor Repeal +9.5
    FOX News 12/14 - 12/16 1027 RV 53 41 Favor Repeal +12
    Rasmussen Reports 11/9 - 11/10 1000 LV 55 41 Favor Repeal +14
    Quinnipiac 7/1 - 7/8 2722 RV 49 43 Favor Repeal +6
    CNN/Opinion Research 6/28 - 7/1 1390 RV 52 46 Favor Repeal +6

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...pose-1947.html

    the public has always been in favor of a repeal
     
  11. Mr_Truth

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    Your own post quotes delusional right wing biased groups.

    Further, you fail to understand that 8% say ACA doesn't go far enough. I'm in that group. :)
     
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    and that might be a factor in the disapproval polls but not the repeal polls
    wanting it repealed because it didn't go far enough would be the same as not eating a steak and throwing it in the trash because it wasn't big enough
     
  13. Mr_Truth

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    Had you troubled yourself to actually read the article I linked to, you would have seen that it includes "improve" upon ACA by expanding its provisions.

    Try again.
     
  14. Hoosier8

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    Still in denial I see.

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    Why would they have to improve something you think is already so great? So far Obama has improved it by delaying much of it illegally because it might cost democrats votes.
     
  15. jakem617

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    That's the key...votes. Politicians don't give a damn about the people, their primary goal is to win elections. Some of them may have good intentions (though as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions), but in the end, their working in their own self interest, and that means doing whatever it takes to get elected or re elected, and to have as much power as possible (i.e. help the party get elected which gives them more "democratic" power in Washington).
     
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    Lol. Here's one Republican (among many) who has benefited from the same program he attacks:


    http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...ved-thanks-medicad-opposes-medicad-expansion/



    Such hypocrisy!
     
  17. jakem617

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    I greatly benefit from student loans, but I don't think it is morally right for me to take money that somebody else forcibly took from other Americans. Why do I take it then? Two reasons; first off, if I don't take it somebody else will, secondly, I pay into it, so why not take some of my money back (even if it is also some of your money). Just because you benefit from a federal program doesn't mean you have to agree with it. It doesn't make you a hypocrite, it makes you a rational human being.
     

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