Do you claim to be an Atheist?

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Would YOU be willing to ask YHWH or Yeshua - Jesus to guide you and correct you?

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  3. Why not.... what harm could this possibly do???????

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you believe that you truly are an Atheist.....

    then you will have no fear to do something much like I did myself back in 1990.

    I had believed in the seriously flawed Soul Sleep idea until 1990.....

    so once I began to read near death experience accounts and I realized that my idea had been terribly in error.......

    I actually quoted... [ or perhaps misquoted]... Isaiah chapter forty five........

    and I literally stuck my right hand up the air and I asked Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to take me by there right hand......

    and guide me as i believed that He had done for Gentile King Cyrus of Persia........

    I prayed and asked to be shown what I ideas I had in error.......

    because I did not want to repeat errors or false ideas.......

    such as the Soul Sleep teaching that I had believed for about seventeen years by then.......


    George Ritchie’s Near-Death Experience
    BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 26, 2019


    Here is where I got this idea....


    Isaiah 45 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

    2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

    3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

    4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

    5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

    6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

    7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

    8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.

    9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

    10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

    11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

    12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

    13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the Lord of hosts.
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    In a way... I attempt to break ideological chains over minds here on political forum.... My apologies that I am something of an amateur at this........

    but I do know that I have helped a few people to understand some important topics.

    Warning... since I prayed about this in 1990 it is like I was shown error after error after error after error from 1990 to 2000... and then my life really has gone up and up and up and up..........

    and I honestly think that my life is just about as awesome as any human life could be???!!!

    The case that I have been led to for Eventual Universal Salvation........
    within the context of Applied Multiverse Theory.......

    is one that gets many of us thinking and researching and digging deeper and deeper....

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
     
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    Agnostic

    I can't prove that there isn't a god anymore than someone can prove that there is
     
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    But... if you were to ask The Being of Light of near death experience fame......

    to correct you... and guide you.... and show you your errors......

    and then over the next decade you noticed that you had indeed been shown error after error after error.....

    in your thinking......

    then obviously you would begin to wonder if that Being of Light of near death experience fame was in fact answering your prayers??????

    From 1990 to 2000.....

    essentially all of my major questions were answered......

    most of them through near death experience accounts that I felt fitted with the Jewish and Messianic Jewish scriptures......

    What the Being of Light of NDE fame showed Atheist Howard Storm about the future of the USA and the world was much better than what I had expected.....

    based on my readings of the Bible and the teachings of Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong and his son Garner Ted......

    https://near-death.com/howard-storm-nde/

    Wow.. this is a new article that I have not read before......

    but this certainly has grabbed my attention... I did not know that either Tesla or Houdini had had NDE's?!


    The Similar Near-Death Experiences of Nikola Tesla and Harry Houdini
    BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON MAY 21, 2024


     
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    YHWH or Yeshua can't prove he doesn't have a creator either....
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe that it was the gifted Dr. Jesse Duplantis who claims that
    he had asked Jesus a question and got the reply that.......

    "I made Myself.... then I threw away the Mold."


    Dr. Jesse believed that he was speaking with the Resurrected Messiah Yeshua - Jesus... [if I remember this lecture correctly}!?

    His experience from 1988 reminds me of a near death experience in many ways.......

    Something rather shocking about this experience is that Jesus tells Dr. Jesse that HIS WORST DAY IS AHEAD OF HIM......

    HE DOESN'T WANT TO REJECT ANYBODY.......

    but He tells Dr. Jesse that he has to.... in the future.

    That is the kind of detail that I believe would be awfully difficult to make up????

    I don't know of any religious leader who has ever taught that Jesus's worst day is in the future???????




    I believe that the "Evolution" of The Being of Light of near death experience fame fits with Theoretical Physics so.... that means that you may well have a valid point????!!!!

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

    Dr. Chaim Tejman does an excellent job of explaining how Wave Theory relates to every phenomena that we observe on this earth.http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/fund/fund1.htm

    http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/fund/fund3.htm
    I personally agree with Dr. Tejman that Wave Theory explains a lot even about gender differences.http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/gender/g1.htm
    Dr. Tejman does a fantastic job of explaining how the behavior of fundamental energy would almost certainly lead to life and thought processes.http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/book/life1.htm
     
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    For the record....
    i regard "Agnostics" as being far more intellectually honest than dogmatic Atheists.........

    I believe that a truly open mind... will not rule out the possibility of INTELLIGENCE in a sense "evolving" in Energy from Quantum Vacuum.......



    Quantum Entanglement and the Near-Death Experience
    BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON APRIL 18, 2024



    Ruby.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...d-to-punish-us.431430/page-19#post-1065779413


    Is it moral for God to punish us?


     
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    I definitely believe in god. I believe nothing exists but god. With that said, I suppose that means that I don't fully believe any religion on earth has a monopoly on "the truth". Rather, the truth, whatever that means, has been revealed to many different peoples in many different ways. And almost universally, humans have corrupted the original teachings of religions in order to use religion as a tool to increase their own power. Just look at all the different beliefs in early Christianity, until Rome consolidated the beliefs they wanted everyone to hold, and crushed all other forms as heretics. Other religions have their own similar stories of religious groups with differing views warring with each other.
    However, though the powers that be distort and cherry pick teachings for their own gain, there is still much truth in most religions. The key is to not take all of the ridiculous dogma at face value, and instead look for the love in the teachings of each. For that is what God is...love. If a teaching is filled with love, it is likely truth. If a teaching promotes division, fear, violence, etc, it is likely BS. All religions are filled with truth and BS. It takes a little wisdom and insight to separate the wheat from the chaff.
     
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    Thank you for this truly insightful post.

    A near death experiencer gave a brilliant explanation as to why the Roman Emperors did not like the first and second century Messianic Jewish teachings on the afterlife.

    Why reincarnation was edited out of Christianity?



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    From your research do you suspect Christians once believed in reincarnation?

    1. No.... reincarnation is a pagan and false deception.
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      Yes.... many Jews of that time period believed in reincarnation.
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    3. No.... we probably cease to exist at death. Yeshua- Jesus knew that.
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      The Gnostic scriptures indicate that early Christians believed in it.
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    Yes, that is one of the big issues I have with modern Christianity. I believe that reincarnation was not only part of Jesus' teachings, but a cornerstone of it, as it is so essential to why we are here in the first place. Do people really believe, that with all the different experiences people have and conditions they live in, that they only have one chance to "get it right", or else they are barred from heaven? That makes no sense to me, especially considering that for many peoples, they have only even heard of Christianity relatively recently, in the last few hundred years.
    I think you are right. Emperors and kings did not want to be held accountable. I think another reason is that the idea of reincarnation greatly reduces the power of the church, and thus kings and emperors. The idea of requiring a priest to communicate with god and get to heaven is a very powerful thing. Reincarnation completely destroys that idea, so of course those that use religion for power wanted to be rid of it.
     
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    When Christians ask this sort of question of atheists, I am always tempted to ask them if they would be open to opening their hearts to Mohammed, Vishnu, etc and asking for them to save them from Christian wrongness.

    But that would probably not garner a friendly response eh?
     
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    All you've done in your long winded posts is show that you have no idea what being an atheist means.
     
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    Actually claiming to be an Atheist means that somebody must be nearly IGNORANT of the implications of The Anthropic Principle........

    The Law of Complexity Consciousness......

    and the obvious implications of String Theory.......

    all of which essentially prove that ABIOGENESIS would occur in Energy from Quantum Vacuum......

    and then an Intelligence composed ultimately of fundamental energy would learn and get better and better at forming other intelligences composed of less fundamental energy........

    until eventually this Being of Light would get into the production of Reality Films of nearly infinite eternal value.......

    that we humans over these past fifty years would come to know as the Life Review of the near death experience.


    Quantum Entanglement and the Near-Death Experience
    BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON APRIL 18, 2024

    Thank you for this interesting link......

    I am of the belief that Theoretical Physics offers better answers in regards to how Consciousness began than biology ever could.......

    although it is interesting that there is evidence that even plants may have EMOTIONS????!!!!!


    If ultimately even planets have emotions......

    then could matter itself even have emotions.... and a form of "intelligence???"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Plants


    A near death experiencer who was an Atheist did observe the Prophet Muhammad in prayer and worship in the afterlife........ and he observed something like an infinite number of heaven vs hells????????


    https://near-death.com/mellen-thomas-benedict/


    My impression after studying these things for fifty years is that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus... Messiah the Passover Lamb... is out to save even the fallen angels and small g god's of India and Greece and Rome and all nations!

    I suspect strongly that the Azazel of Leviticus chapter sixteen may actually be the Zeus of Greek tradition.... based on the details added in The Book of Enoch.
     
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    The Vishnu of Hindu thought.....
    may perhaps correspond to the Ruach ha Kodesh of Jewish thought......

    or the Holy Spirit of Messianic Jewish or Christian teachings.......

    Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus stated clearly that The Father.... [The Ancient of Days] was actually doing the miracles.........

    and Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus stated that his disciples were far better off with the Holy Spirit than for him to live on......

    which seems to imply that The Holy Spirit was greater than Him as well??????

    But... the amount of times that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is being met in near death experience accounts is evidence that because Jesus became human.... and became Messiah the Passover Lamb... .The Ancient of Days the Father and the Holy Spirit seem to have given Messiah Yeshua the AUTHORITY TO JUDGE THE DEAD.... and even to judge angels.... or fallen angels [and fallen angels could well be the other "gods" of many other cultures]!!!!???

    John 5:22
    "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"

    John 5:27
    "And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man."


    Psalm 82
    A psalm of Asaph.
    "God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods”:"

    I believe that after former Covering Cherub Helel fell and led one third of the angels into rebellion.........

    the plan went into motion for the kingdom of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to increase and increase and increase into even the hell realms......

    Near death experiencer Kevin Zadai claims that he was shown that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus went to the lowest levels of hell during the three days and three nights that he was in the heart of the earth.......
    .....

    I met a near death experiencer here in Mississauga who had been in a coma for fifteen days.....

    then his Hundu nurse prayed... and essentially said.... "I know that my Hindu gods will not answer me...... but in the name of Jesus rise up out of your coma."... and W..... came out of his coma!!!!!!!!!

    By not really answering prayers.....

    the "gods" may be directing all humans of all nations toward Messiah the Passover Lamb......


    Near-Death Experiences and Hinduism
    BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 26, 2019



    Isaiah 9:7
    7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
     
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    There are NO implications of the "Anthropic Principle"

    The Anthropic Principle is a poorly thought out argument that does not hold up to the slightest scrutiny.
     
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    I usually will say agnostic because if I say atheist people get the wrong idea. By strict criteria of what words and their roots mean, anybody without an active belief in god is an atheist. (a- "without", -theist "belief in god/s).

    I doubt there's a higher power. I see no room in the universe for it. But there's things I can't explain and things beyond my comprehension or knowledge. So I can't be sure there's no higher power and even less sure there's nothing after death. But I'm no optimist and have seen no indication there's a god, and only weak, unsubstantiated indications there may be something after death.
     
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    I say atheist BECAUSE people get the wrong idea and it is my opportunity to correct them.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you are saying that chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe" was poorly thought out?????????





    The Big Bang, Fine Tuning, and the Anthropic Principle | Thomas Hertog

    Do you think that the universe is NOT expanding?

    Do you think that the SPEED at which the universe expands is not relevant for Carbon Based Life as we know it to be??????


    Richard Dawkins: What are aliens like?

    Could an "Alien" life form be extra-dimensional.......

    as opposed to extra-terrestrial???????????????


    In my opinion... this is an obvious ELEPHANT in the room that people are tending to ignore!!!!

    https://near-death.com/science/

     
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