Do you defend starvation as a weapon in Gaza?

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  1. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, I see big improvement in your writing, first you didn't mention "white JewISH european (WJE)" even once and the second you noticed that Israel the same as Palestinians "disparage" the UN when they don't like it.
    Now are Israeli settlements illegal? For something to illegal, we must point which laws it contradicts. I tried to follow legal arguments, but I am not a lawyer and it is too boring for me. If you are interested here are for you and some readers who really want to know the legal status of Israeli settlements:
    https://aijac.org.au/fresh-air/why-...st-bank-settlements-is-settled-law-are-wrong/

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/myths-and-facts-israeli-settlements

    http://maurice-ostroff.tripod.com/id45.html

    I think Abba Eban was right when he said: "If Algeria introduced a UN resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions".

    IMHO Israel should return most of the West Bank and Gaza to Palestinian state, but only after direct negotiation with Palestinians and where the peace will provide security of Israel.
    And now I have a question for you - do you think Israel with "white JewISH european" has right to exist in the Middle East?
     
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  2. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "The Palestine Mandate, recognizing "the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country," is dedicated to "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing nonjewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.""

    This is in the first paragraph of the third paper you posted. Israel has been in violation of this for decades.
    I do believe that Israel should exist, as there are too many Jews there to humanely remove them elsewhere, but only if they go back to the 1948 borders before the Nakba, before they started stealing Palestinian land in earnest. What they have done to the Palestinians over the decades is absolutely disgusting.
     
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    You are in denial. Everyone else's info must be wrong because you don't agree. Dismissing facts you don't agree with does not invalidate them. When the world around you says one thing and you say another, it would be wise to look closer at what you are saying.

    War causes casualties. Always has... always will. The best way to stop causing casualties is to end the war. Hamas can do that now. Israel is fighting for its very existence. Hamas attacked Israel. All Israel needs its to know they won't be attacked again. Hamas needs to stop lobbing rockets. stop murdering.
    Do you really think that warfare... bombing ammo supplies, rooting out terrorists... smashing control centers... things that always happen in war and, unfortunately, result in civilian casualties... is the same as a terrorist raping? holding a baby in his hands and beheading it? going into homes and killing families, not by unfortunate accident, but intentionally? on purpose?

    If you equate these two things, then you are better off talking to a more brainwashed radical antisemite than to me.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol, Israel is not even remotely fighting for its existence. Hamas has not a snowball's chance in hell of ever defeating Israel. It seems to be doing its best to piss off all of its neighbors, not to mention the rest of the world though. Israel has done more damage to itself through its incredibly stupid and evil actions than Hamas could ever hope to do.

    Israel needs to stop dropping bombs on civilians, and stop murdering.

    I think what Israel is doing is far worse than what Terrorists could even begin to do. The rapings and beheadings are a myth. You drink the Kool-aid, I know.

    Israel IS going into homes, and then blowing up the homes afterwards. And the mosques. And the schools. And the hospitals. They are shooting rescue crews that come to try their best to save the wounded that were mauled after inhumane Israeli airstrikes on civilian targets. It is disgusting.

    Calling this a military operation is an insult to professional militaries everywhere.
     
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    I think you should read more about Israel - Israel is the only democratic country in the Middle East where civil and religious rights of every citizen of Israel are protected. Just to show you a few examples which you will not find in countries which surround Israel: Arab judge sentenced Jewish president to jail, Israeli population elected Arab woman as miss Israel, Arabs served in Israeli government, Arabs have their own parties in Israeli parliament, no Arabs in surrounding Arab countries have as many rights as Arabs in Israel.
    1948 borders? When UN declared partition of Palestine on Jewish and Arab , Arabs attacked Israel AND LOST. When Israel tried to reach peace with Arab neighbors, Arab countries refused to negotiate. When again in 1967 Israel again tried to reach peace, Arabs countries responded with "The Three Noes of Khartoum": no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it. And now, after many years you want 1948 borders? Too late, Israel will exist with or without your approval. But I agree with you that what Arab countries have done to the Palestinians over the decades is absolutely disgusting. Just look how Germans treated German refugees, how French treated French refugees from Alger, how India and Pakistan treated their own refugees. Yes, it was disgusting what Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon did to Palestinian refugees.
     
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    Jews were much better treated by Muslims than Christians for much of those 1400 years. And prior to these attacks, Israel was doing quite well with its neighbors. The anger from its muslim neighbors now is of their OWN making.

    Israel drops bombs on civilian targets if they think there is even a slight chance there is Hamas there, regardless of the number of civilians.

    Your obsession with sticking with the debunked myth of the mass beheadings and rapings hurts your credibility. were there a small number of rapes? I'm sure. Every conflict in the history of mankind has them. But mass rapings and beheadings of babies? no. That is myth, and there has been zero credible evidence presented.

    Uh, yes, there is proof. Turn on the damned news. It's literally everywhere. Israel doesn't even try to hide or deny what they are doing. They just insist it is justified, which is ridicuolous. And the vast majority of the world, even the US, agrees what they are doing is completely unacceptable. Biden is just too weak to put an end to the atrocities.

    Lol, I have no problem at all with Israelis. I think they are wonderful. I have no problem with any people on the planet. What I have problems with is governments slaughtering civilians. You are proving beyond any doubt that you are Islamophobic, especially when it comes to Palestinians.
     
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    The paragraph you quoted refers to the obligations of the mandatory power, not Israel or Jews. Israel didn't exist back then and can't be blamed for violating a contract it didn't sign in the first place.
     
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    You don't think there are laws against genocide outside of this document?? I was pointing out what the posted article referenced as how it was envisioned that Israel should behave.. treating the Palestinians like human beings.

    And even if there were no laws against genocide and ethnic cleansing, do you seriously think that makes such brutality against innocent human beings ok?
     
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  11. Pisa

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    All the data about civilian casualties in Gaza come from Hamas. Why do you believe terrorists?
     
  12. Esau

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    Yes they are
     
  13. Esau

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    You study should Jewish history. The Ashkenazi are not native the to levant. They are caucusasians original from the ukraine
     
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    Yes. Starvation helped us win the two world wars.
     
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    The Asknenazim are descended from Old Testament Israelites and the people with whom they have lived with in Europe since. They have average IQ's estimated as 110 to 115, so I classify them as the most superior race in existence.
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I studied Jewish history, but it looks we are following different schools. You are following the greatest philosopher ever lived Vladimir Putin - according to him Ukraine is no a country, The collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century, There is no such thing as a former KGB man, Russia is a country of democracy and law and more. I am following traditional history as taught in democratic countries. Ashkenazi Jew migrated to the Levant all the time, there are written records of some, like Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan or Isaac ben Solomon Luria Ashkenazi.
    Some racists can claim that that the Ashkenazi are not native the to levant, Arabs are not native the to Palestine, Blacks are not natives to America, and Arabs, Blacks, Chinese, Hindus are not native to Europe, but because I am not racist, I don't even try to argue with such arguments,
     
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    im sorry broski but you cant play the race card here lmao, im the same race as the WJE.

    ashikenazi are not african or arab, which is what defines a hebrew.
     
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    If it works out the way they wanted, I dont see the problem. They will be bombed to stone age. If thats what they wanted, all fine.
     
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    anti mass murder, huh? Obviously not. You are cheer leading for it now.
     
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    So far they have been far more trustworthy than the IDF and Netanyahu. It is not just Hamas reporting this. It is the brave reporters and humanitarian workers that risk their lives in the hell that Israel created.

    why do you believe a fascist genocidal regime like Netanyahu’s? Why do you believe MSM, who lie constantly?

    the truth is plain to see.
     
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    No, they haven't been. They published videos on Octobre 7th how they killed, raped and abducted civilians, very proud of their crimes, parading many of their hostages through the streets under the applause of so called "innocent civilians", as soon as it was clear there would be consequences for their barbaric crimes, they denied that ever happened.

    Thats the very definition of a liar, although its unclear beforehand why you expected anything else by sadistic psychopaths who are murderers, kidnappers, terrorists and child rapists.
     
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    nobody believes the israeli bs propaganda about oct 7 anymore. we all know the idf let hamas in then the idf killed everyone in sight, even the israeli ravers, gunned down using the hannibal protocol.

    the question now is: do you support the hannibal directive?
     
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    So, you have to admit they killed everyone in sight, gunned down ravers, etc. So why this trololol about it? Even you have to admit they are mass murderers, while they now claim what they filmed themselves never happened, so they are obviously liars. So the numbers they give are worth ****.
     
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    Yes they filmed themselves but not doing that stuff you seem to believe they did. We all know it was lies now.
     
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    you just described what the IDF is doing.
     

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