Do you love the Devil?

Howdy,

So I'll get straight to the point - Jesus said we should love our enemies.

And we all know the biggest enemy of mankind is Mr. Satan, aka the Devil.
So, the question is, should we love the Devil?
Do you love the Devil?
Please, answer the poll. I count on your honest answer.

 

I see, no one is interested.
That's OK.

 

What do you consider the devil to be? A guy with horns and a pitchfork? Or is it the negative polarity that gives the positive polarity meaning?
I think the first one is a bit silly, like Santa and the Easter bunny. The second one gives life in this incarnation something to contrast with. You cannot know love if there is no hate and fear in the world. I think that is what Jesus is saying. Love your enemy, because everything has a purpose. All of existence, “good”, and “evil”, is there to provide everything some sort of context and meaning. All serve god in their own way, because ultimately god is all that exists. Everything else is just how god/creation/existence experiences itself.

 

Well, one can love God and turn ones back to the devil. Or one can love the devil and turn ones back to God. I choose the former.

 

Santa Clause, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, the Boggey Man, the Devil, ... They all live in the same Place, human minds.

When I Lived among the Guahibo along the Orinoko River the feeds the Amazon evil is perpretrated by what euphemistically called which craft weilding Black magic. When bad things happen things happen an explanation is needed and somebody is to blame, that is a Shaman’s stock an trade, a Shaman can be paid to counter spells/Black Magic, provide protective charms, and cast retaliatory spells, and sometimes to identify the offending in person/agent which so a village can take action, meaning sometimes kill them.Saman are powerful people that are given that are basically protective bribes in the form of food, sexual favors, and other favors so they don’t use their powers for bad purposes. You don’t want to piss one off. Some times the problem is someone in the village accidently angering one of the mirade of spirits that inhabit the Jungle in which case a shaman Identifies the angered spirit and provides a prescription to molify the angered spit which can be a sacrifice, some offering, or some specific ritual. Skeptical if spirits real, for a payment a shaman will administer the hallucinogenic made from thenBaisteriopsis Caapi vine, coousinn to ayahuasca, a similar chemical composition to DMT, ecstasy,navshaman awill give you a guided tour interpreting that you see when already predisposed to believing and under being under the effects of abhalucinogen. And a shame can interpret halucinations to prove their existaneI paid for such a tour. Among the spirits I was shown was the River spirit who when angered is responsible for children to be snatchedliving by a caiman. Under the effects of a haluigenic and a flooding river can appear to be a living thing, particularly when thebhallucation effects and interpreted by a shaman.powerful surf to primativeto primative minddThere are poison dart frogs the secretions of which can kill with even short time contact to the skin. A shamaman could easily covertly coat a hamock of someone with collected sections of someone, that perhaps hasn’t shown proper deference and the coating is invisible to the eye, Then that person drops deas (hear attack) the death will beinexplicable which allow a shaman that a shaman can the blame on whatever or whoever (a means for a shaman to effectively create a mystery only he can solve, thius self perpetuating the need for his services and justification for payment and bribes to keep ‘evil’ under control. A shaman sits, pretty, and never has to do physical labor, hunt or procure his own food. It's not unlike the priesthood of the Catholic Church, visit Africa, Australia, anywhere their are primative peoples and the same picture exists. Someone always benefits from perpetuated mythologies of evil agent of misfortunhe witches and black magic doesn’t onlymexist among primative peoples as the history of which hunts. Who profits?
Who profits?consider the case of Mathew Hopkins, the famous which hunter in England in the 1600’s,

Proof of the devel? Think of the Spanish inqitision and the proofs of people in league with the Devil, truth obtained in torture.
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Of course the Boogyman is real, It's a good means to scare children age 3 to 8behave. Think about the concept of the Devil, who benefits from perpetuating then mythology.

 

Never thought of him in that way....just know that he is evil and liar. Try to avoid him whenever possible...put as you can tell, he has a firm grip on many people.

 

One could also surmise that the devil does evil in Gods name. Then he says, see, there is no God or devil.....only bad men. The devil is a multitasker, master manipulator, and sifter of souls.

 

i choose to remain neutral on both concepts.

 

I know what you mean. But it's impossible because when you do good, you love God and turn your back to the devil. And vice versa.

 

Mommy and daddy taught me at an early age that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny were real. Then as I got older it was God and Satan they preached at me. I'll never forgive them for lying to me about false mystical beings.

 

Surmise a word for guess and make it up them add unknowable and untestable support not unlike it is in God’s plan
Of course maybe the devil is a plausible deniability for all suffering inflicted. Not me

 

I do not agree. Satan as portrayed in Christian mythology is actually a heroic figure. He takes up the fight against a tyrant God knowing he can not succeed and being condemned for his bravery.
He is the bringer of light, the first educator, the one who wants man to have free will and knowledge and to think for himself.
I do not think either God or Satan actually exist, but the Satan character is clearly the heroic figure.

 

I feel exactly the same way-- not about your parents, but-- about the this "tradition" of duping one's own kids. Parents should be the only two people, a child should know that he can always trust not to deceive them. This is a terrible violation, and potential rupturing, of that trust. I guess the lesson is that you can't trust anyone at all(?).

 

Your depiction is rather anachronistic. That is, these myths about Lucifer, the light-bearer (like Prometheus), being "Satan," I believe all harken to at least the Middle Ages, so a good thousand years or more after the God of Christianity is cited as calling Satan merely, "the enemy." By that point, of course, the religion had become warped, powerful, and corrupt, as well as so oppressive, it is little wonder that people looked for a savior, from the faith of their Savior.

It should be noted that the idea of Satan existed first in Judaism, and evolved over time. Consider, for example, in the Book of Job, the Devil being an associate of God's.

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Approximately six hundred BCE, the Jewish community changed their view of
Satan due to events that took place in their society. Different sects of Judaism began to
form their own various opinions about God, which caused minorities to parallel their
situation with Satan’s. Members of each community began to compare those who held opinions different from their own to Satan’s refuting of God’s authority. In turn, Elaine Pagels claims, the Jewish community as a whole came to view Satan as an arrogant angel who defied his commander in Heaven (116). Questioning authority became one of the worst sins, and since Satan’s story describes such actions, he became associated with the ultimate sin: questioning God.
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This is a PDF, from Digital Commons Digital Commons @ EMU
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Giving the devil his due: The emergence of the fallen hero in English literature


So, in earlier Christian stories, the angel Lucifer's undoing, is the sin of hubris* or pride: he is unwilling to be a servant, beneath man. Later on, that story is modified-- in myth, not in dogma-- to Lucifer's love for God being too absolute, for him to bow to any other. When God cast him from heaven, that Lucifer's unending torment, was his separation from God, whose voice he so adored, and the memory the last words he'd heard spoken by it, forever ringing in his ears: "Get out of my sight!"

By the Rennaissance, there was another Lucifer, who led an angelic revolt. The myths are now being created by writers, like John Milton ("Paradise Lost") and later, Lord Byron.


*I recall reading, that Lucifer's sin was called "cupiditas," by the first Christian writers. This is closer to vanity, self-love, or narcissism.

 

I'm really surprised as to how many people here showed sound mind and philosophical thinking.
May be the religious folk would insist on the existence of Mr. Cruel DeVille but hey, it's their right to do so.

 

Satan didn't rebel against tyranny. Satan rebelled because he was thwarted from accomplishing his own tyrannous ambitions, and the shame of facing the expose of his own pettiness. He is the Father of lies and a murderer from the beginning. One third of heavens hosts followed Satan. The remainder, including us, stuck to God the Fathers plan for our potential exaltation and inheritance in his kingdom. Now in this mortality, we are in the next stage. And once again the choice is between following Satan or fidelity to God the Father, who has provided our very lives and the means or way thru the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, to our salvation and an inheritance in his kingdom as exalted beings. This is what Satan hates.

As for me, the priesthood like power of choice, which we have, is a gift from God. And I can't fathom exercising that power to reject God, even though it is mine. That he has given it to me in trust, therefore it is his, even though he has divested himself of ownership. All that I have and am belongs to him. How can it be any other way. His sacred name is written on the power to choose. Therefore I render to God that which is rightly his forever. My life, heart, soul, and everything is because of him. Otherwise I wouldn't exist. God then is my existence and the very life of me.

You may reckon that my reasoning is unto madness. But I say it is a taming. And what is madder than the chaotic wickedness of mankind, flung around by divided sentiments and false doctrines. Honor and glory belong to God.

 

The poll results are pretty interesting, so far: of 10 respondents, 7 do not believe "the Devil" exists. Of the 3 who do believe, only one "hates" him; the other 2 are ambivalent about Satan ("neither hate nor love him").

To Satan, I can see the opinion of those two people, with no strong feelings either way, as more insulting, than not believing he exists!

 

Objectively speaking, I think it's a waste of emotion and energy to hate evil.

 

I am of the belief that former Covering Cherub Hillel is a vastly more complex personality than most of us Christians can tend to imagine........

I have tried my best to initiate DIVISION in Satan's kingdom by putting the theory forward that perhaps..... just perhaps.......

the being known as Lucifer to Christians may be acting in the spirit and intent of the Stanley Milgram Ph. D. research. If so... then the possible implications are off the scale.......

in a way YHWH APPROVED something of a Milgram style experiment on Job......
in Job chapter one!


I believe that eventually......
the Devil will repent and be restored to YHWH and.....
when this happens..... a massive step toward the fulfillment of many verses in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the Minor Prophets will have came to pass!

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-and-the-media.331262/page-3#post-1072106575


Illuminati totally controls orgainzed religion, politics, and the media

IF Satan is acting like Stanley Milgram Ph. D., then WHO is the biggest...

Who do you think is the ultimate Teacher Subject victim IF SATAN IS ACTING LIKE STANLEY MILGRAM?

1. *
   BILL GATES
   1 vote(s)
   50.0%
2. 
   GEORGE SOROS
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%
3. 
   B.... (you will all soon know what I mean by this)
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%
4. 
   O.... (you will all soon know what I mean by this)
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%
5. 
   myself..... Satan proved that I was an overly obedient fool myself.....
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%
6. 
   Alistair Crowley
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%
7. 
   Anton LaVey
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%
8. 
   Most of the actors in Hollywood
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%
9. 
   The paedophiles who actually victimized children for a promised reward...
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%
10. 
    Politicians who accepted bribes to lie and cheat and steal
    1 vote(s)
    50.0%
11. 
    other... please be specific in a reply.....
    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

Change Your Vote

 

I'll acknowledge the legitimacy of that point of view (all except the word "objectively," since you were obviously one of the two who had answered that you believe in the Devil's existence, but neither love nor hate it). I had been going by the suggestion of the choices, that to react by regarding him not as either the Dark Lord, worthy of veneration; nor as such a potently evil, Prince of Darkness, to make one tremble with fear and loathing; but rather, for one believing in Satan's existence, to yet be more non-committal, with lukewarm feelings, or else just not having considered him important enough to have ever given it much consideration, would appear the much more belittling, rather than just ignorant, attitude, to such a hypothetical being.

Personally, I think that evil exists, but I don't think the Christian depiction of the Devil is necessarily accurate enough, to use as a stand-in, for that truth.

 

@ Dennis Tate

I would be happy to try to answer your poll, if you could present your idea in a simple, stripped down form, which does not require me to read any articles-- you had said that your goal was to "get a lot of people thinking about this rather quickly," right?

The way you present it, is not at all clear. You mention this professor's research, that showed that Americans can be just as obedient to an authority figure, as Germans (had been?). This does not seem overly surprising. But then you say, "if my theory has some validity that to a serious degree Satan is acting like Stanley Milgram Ph. D." IOW, you see the Devil, as conducting some sort of study, or research?

You only grazingly mention, all kinds of less than self-evident beliefs of yours, such as that the Illuminati run the world, and your prediction that, one day, God & Lucifer will kiss and make up. How about exercising a little self-restraint, to start, and focusing on your core idea? Or, is it impossible to state your question, to someone who has not investigated and become acquainted with all these other-- forgive my characterization's basis in conventional perspective-- screwball, off-the-wall, theories?

 

I believe that hate and fear feed into evil and give it dominion over you only to the degree that you feed it. It can only do what you allow it

 

I was first one to answer " Well Kind of but not really" -- unfortunate that 60% of respondents copped out and voted "devil doesn't exist" but then again .. 60% of folks deceiving themselves is not surprising

I am going to support my answer .. like the rolling stone .. and have some sympathy for Ol Sataniel .. Please allow me to introduce myself Har har har

 

Well, you are kinda right but no really.
The devil exists but not as a person, an entity. Same applies to God.
God and Devil are planes of consciousness, fields of consciousness, an energy. Hence the words "good and evil" (G(o)od and d'Evil).

Anyways, in the last option of the poll I meant the superstitious existence of the Devil as a personality. So, the wrong if right.