Doctors Can Prescribe Ivermectin for COVID-19: FDA Lawyer

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  1. Woogs

    Woogs Well-Known Member

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    Well, now, isn't this quite the turnaround? After all this time and all the money spent and all the possible unnecessary deaths, the FDA does an about-face on ivermectin. It took a case brought by 3 doctors, but here we are.

    Doctors are free to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID-19, a lawyer representing the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said this week.

    “FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID,” Ashley Cheung Honold, a Department of Justice lawyer representing the FDA, said during oral arguments on Aug. 8 in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit.

    The government is defending the FDA’s repeated exhortations to people to not take ivermectin for COVID-19, including a post that said “Stop it.”

    The case was brought by three doctors who allege the FDA unlawfully interfered with their practice of medicine with the statements. A federal judge dismissed the case in 2022, prompting an appeal.


    As most here know, the vaccines could not have been granted emergency use authorization so long as there was a treatment available for covid. To have squelched data from around the world regarding the efficacy of ivermectin in treating covid and instead going with unproven experimental vaccines and imposing vaccination mandates on millions is, in my mind, criminal. Follow the money, folks. Some got rich off this, while an effective, cheap treatment that could have saved many lives, was demonized and cast aside.

    For those that don't like the source of the article and try to discredit the info, I'll note that there are several embedded links that take one to the source of that particular info.

    The cat's out of the bag. Odd that this isn't all over the mainstream news. Or maybe not so odd at all.

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/healt...&utm_campaign=CFP&src_src=epochHG&src_cmp=CFP

    A good opinion piece on this:

    The Unforgivable Ivermectin Swindle

    https://quoththeraven.substack.com/p/the-unforgivable-ivermectin-swindle
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    It seems the Medical Industrial Complex is more dangerous and criminal than the Military Industrial Complex.

    Under Fauci the government destroyed large quantities of Ivermectin and HCQ at the height of the scamdemic.

    Government does not protect, it does great harm.
     
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    Have you ever heard of Botox? It made from botulism toxin that kills people. Yet in low does, it is used to relax skin to hide wrinkles and the patient lives to wrinkle again when it wears off.
    Ivermectin in small doses may or may not work against Covid, but its efficacy should be tested rather than argued about on the internets.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Numerous small studies have been done regarding ivermectin as cure and as prophylaxis against the phantom virus. All showed it to be efficacious.
     
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    Woogs Well-Known Member

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    My post does not constitute arguing on tbe internet. Rather, it reports on an FDA admission in court.

    As far as testing for some certified FDA approval specifically for covid, that will never happen. There is no money to be made from a drug no longer under patent protection.
     
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    Ivermectin is still not a recommended treatment for covid.

    "In this double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled platform trial including 1206 US adults with COVID-19 during February 2022 to July 2022, the median time to sustained recovery was 11 days in the ivermectin group and 11 days in the placebo group. In this largely vaccinated (84%) population, the posterior probability that ivermectin reduced symptom duration by more than 1 day was less than 0.1%."

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827
     
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    Once again, the RW media bubble misrepresents what actually happened.

    The FDA has NOT approved Ivermectin for treatment for COVID.

    Let me repeat this to make this crystal clear. The FDA has NOT approved Ivermectin for treatment for COVID.

    If anyone is willing to listen I'm more than willing to discuss what has ACTUALLY happened but I'm done banging my head against the wall trying to talk to people that don't want to hear the truth.
     
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    No one said the FDA approved ivermectin. It has admitted, in court, that doctors may use it against covid if they wish. That would be an off-label use of course. This in itself is quite an about-face from its prior stance on the matter. No need to bang your head here.
     
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    If they wish...

    The CDC stance on ivermectin has not changed. It is ineffective against COVID.

    It's not a danger to patients so if you want your Dr. to prescribe it, have at it. It ain't gonna do squat against COVID. Doctors have always been able to prescribe it off label.
     
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    Indeed, they specifically reject the use of Ivermectin.
    • "The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals. Ivermectin is approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea.
    • Currently available data do not show ivermectin is effective against COVID-19. Clinical trials assessing ivermectin tablets for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 in people are ongoing.
    • Taking large doses of ivermectin is dangerous.
    • If your health care provider writes you an ivermectin prescription, fill it through a legitimate source such as a pharmacy, and take it exactly as prescribed.
    • Never use medications intended for animals on yourself or other people. Animal ivermectin products are very different from those approved for humans. Use of animal ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 in humans is dangerous."
    https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
     
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    My post is NOT about the efficacy of ivermectin in treating covid, but rather about a lawsuit filed by 3 doctors regarding the FDA's campaign against it. That the FDA conducted such a campaign is without doubt.

    Readers may recall that once the pandemic was in full swing, some doctors began reporting anecdotal evidence that ivermectin seemed to help some patients avoid or ease the symptoms of the coronavirus. But almost immediately, the FDA jumped into high gear to destroy the reputation of the drug and to persuade doctors to avoid prescribing it, discouraging pharmacies from selling it even with a doctor’s prescription.

    In fact, the FDA was so adamant to stop people from considering the drug that it launched a cynical effort to label it “horse medicine” and, therefore, unfit for use in humans.

    The FDA even took to Twitter in August 2021 to blast the drug, writing, “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.”

    It was that post that doctors said amounts to illegal government interference in their right to prescribe ivermectin for their patients — especially since the FDA itself had years ago approved the drug for use in humans here in the U.S.A.

    "The fundamental issue in this case is straightforward. After the FDA approves the human drug for sale, does it then have the authority to interfere with how that drug is used within the doctor-patient relationship? The answer is no,” Jared Kelson, who is representing the doctors, told the appeals court, according to Courthouse News.

    The doctors added that when the FDA told people to “stop it,” that amounted to a demand from a government health agency to stop prescribing, using, and selling ivermectin. And in many cases, that is exactly how doctors, hospitals and pharmacies took it — as a command to ban the drug issued by a government agency.

    The agency also posted a long, involved warning to its website with an article entitled, “Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19.”


    https://www.westernjournal.com/fda-...ti-ivermectin-post-makes-huge-admission-drug/
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm not a member of the Church Of The Poisoned Mind as you are.

    I understand full well that all branches of government deceive, including the medical branches of the government. A person that does not understand that in 2023 is hopelessly naive and well conditioned.
     
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    And guess what, NOTHING has changed. You still SHOULD NOT USE IVERMECTIN to treat COVID

    https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

    The question was whether or not the CDC issued an edict over prescriptions of ivermectin for use against COVID and they did not.

    Seriously, if you take a tweet (or X or whatever the hell they are calling it today) that says “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.” as some sort of edict that's on you, not the FDA.

    The dose of ivermectin that HAS been approved for human use is far less than what you get when you buy ivermectin used as a horse dewormer.

    Ivermectin is used at a rate of 200 micrograms of ivermectin per kilogram of body weight. Considering that the average horse weighs in at approximately 550 kg that would be about a 1/10th of a gram of ivermectin.

    The average human clocks in at about 70 kg of that weight meaning the dosage should be about 7 times LESS

    People were using ivermectin designed for use in HORSES because you don't need a prescription for it.

    So yeah, You're not a horse, you're not a cow. Seriously, Stop it Y'all.
     
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    A person who thinks Ivermectin is a useful treatment for COVID is conditioned to reject anything the government says.
    A person who thinks Ivermectin medication designed for a horse is going to be safe for a human to take is an idiot.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    A person who repeats the lies of A. Fauci is an idiot.

    I know several people, including one doctor, who took Ivermectin 2 years ago and found it to be very effective in making "covid" go away.
     
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    Wow, you know "several people" who took it.

    Tell you what, get your paper published in a peer reviewed medical journal and then I'll retract my statement.

    Until then, Ivermectin is not an effective treatment for COVID. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    You've been ignoring it, but one of the things that has become apparent since the opioid crisis 15 years ago and the Scamdemic more recently is that "medical journals" will publish anything at all they are paid or instructed to publish whether it is true or false. That makes you typically a conditioned thinker, one who follows the herd.
     
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    I am literally laughing at this post.

    Please tell us what medical school you graduated from that shows we should take your criticism of medical journals seriously. What are your credentials in medicine, research, pharmacology...anything that gives you any kind of authoritative voice that should even be CONSIDERED, let alone given any credence to.

    You're nothing but an anonymous poster on a public internet forum and you somehow think YOUR opinion matters????

    The MAGA is strong in this one....ROTFLMAO!!!!
     
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    I agree, I am pro-choice, leave these medical decisions to the patient and doctor - even if others disagree with them
     
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    yep and Trump says he took ivermectin before he got Covid, but even Trump did not take ivermectin to treat his covid

    heck, Trump even took the vaccine after he had Covid....
     
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    Ummmm, question....

    How is ANYTHING "effective" against a "phantom" virus?

    You people are too funny. COVID isn't real but the drug designed to fight parasitic infection is effective against it.

    ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!
     
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    An appeals court took it seriously enough to hear the case and rule in the doctors' favor, prompting the FDA's ...ahem.... clarification.

    You're just an anonymous internet poster, too, so stop trying to tell people what they need to do
     
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    From January 2021:

    Highlights
    • Mass administration of ivermectin is associated with lower COVID-19 incidence.


    • Ivermectin has been shown to inhibit SARS-CoV-2 replication in vitro.


    • Ivermectin may have a prophylactic effect against COVID-19.


    • COVID-19 prophylaxis could help bridge the time until a vaccine becomes widely available.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920304684

    ....and from June, 2020

    Abstract
    Ivermectin proposes many potentials effects to treat a range of diseases, with its antimicrobial, antiviral, and anti-cancer properties as a wonder drug. It is highly effective against many microorganisms including some viruses. In this comprehensive systematic review, antiviral effects of ivermectin are summarized including in vitro and in vivo studies over the past 50 years. Several studies reported antiviral effects of ivermectin on RNA viruses such as Zika, dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Hendra, Newcastle, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, chikungunya, Semliki Forest, Sindbis, Avian influenza A, Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome, Human immunodeficiency virus type 1, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2. Furthermore, there are some studies showing antiviral effects of ivermectin against DNA viruses such as Equine herpes type 1, BK polyomavirus, pseudorabies, porcine circovirus 2, and bovine herpesvirus 1. Ivermectin plays a role in several biological mechanisms, therefore it could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of a wide range of viruses including COVID-19 as well as other types of positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses. In vivo studies of animal models revealed a broad range of antiviral effects of ivermectin, however, clinical trials are necessary to appraise the potential efficacy of ivermectin in clinical setting.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z
     
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    the Trump FDA said no.... the Biden FDA said the choice is between doctor and patient

    personally, I feel most prescriptions should be OTC
     
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    Yeah, sure--you have the answers. :(:roflol:
     
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