Does anyone here think Hilary is a honest person?

Not here.

Liar? Yes, yes, like all politicians. But what hicks me about her is her opportunism and her desire to pursue an old, conservative form of governance. What she describes as her "idealism".

Quite incredible: The biggest advantage for Clinton is that she faces Trump... and vice-versa. I don't envy you Yanks these days.

 

As bad as Obama?

He's about the most honest politician I have ever seen.

So that's a glowing endorsement.

Is Hillary honest? As honest as most politicians...as honest as most people.

The very nature of being a public figure means you can't be an open book.

How many among us would want every facet and foible of their entire lives exposed for public view? If not...then by the definitions you're using...you're not honest either./

 

Maybe because she can actually make up her mind on issues, instead of flip-flopping every 24 to 48 hours when there is due criticism. Plus, Hillary has a track record of staying solid when it comes to gun control (look it up if you don't believe me, my gut tells me you probably don't). Those two instances show more stability and honesty in her as a candidate, than Trump wishes in his wet dreams at his Maralogo resort.

 

Fer cryin' out loud.
You may hate what you hear coming out of Trump's mouth at times, but no one can accuse that unfiltered speech of being dishonest!

 

BWaaaaaaaahuh?

By no one...you mean everyone with ears and a functioning brain?

Did you actually read that post before you punched the enter key???

 

Did you?
You have an amazing capacity in all of your responses throughout the forum to first be uncomprehending, then be hateful.

 

I think she's the exact opposite.

 

So what you're saying is that when it comes to Kool-Aid you only drink the sugar free stuff, that about right?

 

no way, she is like an actor who is doing a movie to get a paycheck for herself and those who pay her. everything they say appears true, but it isn't who or what they are.

with donald trump you know who and what he is no matter what he says.

 

I do not believe she is an honest person. That said, I find Trump to be by far the most dishonest person I've ever seen run for President. By far. Although I do believe he is so uninformed when it comes to many of the issues, he likely isn't even aware he's lying half of the time. Not that he would give a crap anyway.

 

Hillary Clinton is definitely more honest than the average politician. Any honest and intelligent person would be willing put that in writing. The sad thing is that how so many people have been brainwashed into believing the opposite of reality.

Someone has already pointed out how Politifact ranked Clinton near the top of the pack for honesty, and ranked Trump near the bottom. Predictably, the conspiracy cultists did what conspiracy cultists always do. They declared that the debunking of their conspiracy theory was further proof of the conspiracy. That is, they screamed that the rather conservative-leaning Politifact was really a group of liberal shills.

Yep, she lied about sniper fire. Nobody ever said she was perfect. The point is she tells fewer lies than most politicians. When you ask the Hillary-haters to list the supposed lies, they generally go bug-eyed with rage that you'd dare question the basic tenets of their religion. The braver ones might post a Youtube video that doesn't show any actual lies, or sputter out some unhinged conspiracy theory, or cut-and-paste a list of things that aren't lies.

Obviously, gender has a lot to do with it. Seeing the Hillary-haters consistently use terms like "cackle" and "shriek" and much worse demonstrates that. Women politicians in general are held to higher standards than men. Women are expected to be saints, and anything less is unacceptable.

I'll leave you with the Guardian piece by a lifelong Hillary critic. It's pro-Hillary, which means all the Hillary-haters will now scream the highly respected Guardian newspaper is a "liberal tabloid". Again, that's what conspiracy cultists do.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ary-clinton-honest-transparency-jill-abramson

This may shock you: Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest
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I would be “dead rich”, to adapt an infamous Clinton phrase, if I could bill for all the hours I’ve spent covering just about every “scandal” that has enveloped the Clintons. As an editor I’ve launched investigations into her business dealings, her fundraising, her foundation and her marriage. As a reporter my stories stretch back to Whitewater. I’m not a favorite in Hillaryland. That makes what I want to say next surprising.

Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest and trustworthy.

The yardsticks I use for measuring a politician’s honesty are pretty simple. Ever since I was an investigative reporter covering the nexus of money and politics, I’ve looked for connections between money (including campaign donations, loans, Super Pac funds, speaking fees, foundation ties) and official actions. I’m on the lookout for lies, scrutinizing statements candidates make in the heat of an election.
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This here. Hillary is dishonest as hell, but she's not bat(*)(*)(*)(*) insane.

 

I don't know what to do. I'm terrified of Hillary getting to choose a bunch of justices, but I'm really worried about what Trump might do as an executive. What's worse for me? Either I allow someone who, while more prone to keeping things stable, will send the country down a bad path for the long term, or I go for the wildcard executive who will probably choose justices more to my liking.

It's a tough call.

 

Well you know, there are really no guarantees with the justices; You may recall that GW Bush appointed Roberts to the bench who was supposed to be a conservative and he ended up being anything but. Trump is a lose cannon as well; no guarantee who he'll appoint to the bench as well; if he's a liberal cloaked as a conservative, gets elected he can appoint someone who might be a conservative on paper but end up being a super liberal. You just haven't got much to choose from this election cycle; you might want to wait and see what each candidate picks for their VP; that may change your mind.

 

Good points.

Wait for the VP, you say? I guess I could always hope for a plane crash or a case of mad cow disease lol.

 

I prefer Simply Orange Juice. God, that stuff is amazing.

 

This sums it up well...
She has been lying for decades.

Only thing transparent about Hillary is her dishonesty
By Post Editorial Board June 26, 2016

Buried by last week’s Brexit furor was fresh news of Hillary Clinton’s efforts to cover up her abuses of power at the State Department. Two distinct Associated Press scoops show her concealing evidence.

One is just a single e-mail that she chose not to hand over in her supposedly complete dump of her work correspondence. It’s far from the first one recovered from other sources, but it’s telling because she opted to delete just the one e-mail in a long exchange with top aide Huma Abedin.

And because it’s a clear acknowledgment that Clinton’s reliance on her homebrew server posed risks.

It was November 2010, and Abedin had urged the secretary to get onto the state.gov e-mail system or look at “releasing your email address to the department” because State’s spam filter was blocking messages from clintonemail.com.

No, came Clinton’s reply: “Let’s get separate address or device but I don’t want any risk of the personal being accessible” — almost certainly meaning, accessible to Freedom of Information Act requests.

And it directly contradicts her repeated claims that she relied on the private account purely to avoid having to use more than one device.

The other AP story uncovered the fact that Clinton had scrubbed at least 75 meetings with longtime political donors, Clinton Foundation funders, etc., from her official State calendar.

That is, she didn’t want the public or the press to know how much time she was spending on personal business — or, rather, how much of her work at State was blended right in with pursuing the interests of Clinton Inc.

Here’s the laughable spin from Clinton campaign spokesman Nick Merrill: The candidate “has always made an effort to be transparent since entering public life,” including “asking that 55,000 pages of work e-mails from her time of secretary of state be turned over to the public.”

Yes, the 55,000 pages she handed over after being caught, more than two years after she left office. Team Hillary has yet to explain the work e-mail records we now know she instead opted to destroy.

The only thing transparent about Hillary Clinton is her transparent dishonesty.

 

With the title of this thread, it belongs on the joke page. The name Hillary and the word honest should never be used in the same sentence.

 

I thank the Hillary Derangement Syndrome crowd for proving my point about how they now just mindlessly parrot their cult dogma.

How do you reach people like that? You don't. Hillary-hate is their religion. You'd stand a better chance of reforming an ISIS member than an HDS sufferer, being that the ISIS member is probably less fanatically devoted to their religion of hate.

 

And indeed she is, judging from her statements. All politicians (and job seekers, for that matter) try to burnish their images and rep with words. Looking at the veracity of Clinton's statements, especially when compared to Trump, this woman is as pure as driven snow. ODR (Obama Derangement Syndrome) certainly spills over to anyone with a "D" after their name, including the Clintons.

 

This is what I don't understand.....

If I'm a known liar and I say hey lend me $100 I promise I'll give it back. Would you lend me the money? I wouldn't. How do I know if you're lying?

If I am a known liar and I say vote for me for president and I'll do things you want. Would I vote for the liar? No, I wouldn't believe them.

Hillary lies a lot so why does anyone believe she'll do what she says she will especially when we know the media will cover her and she'll get away with it?

 

You dont "compare". You are either honest or not. Hillary is not!!!!!

 

I'm sure she can be honest, but as to whether she's honest in any given moment, it's very hard to say. She's an old politician, who's probably forgotten more about being successfully dishonest than many of us could ever hope to learn.

I won't be voting for her(and of course, NeverTrump, because shooting yourself in the head to spite your foot is never a winning strategy).

 

Trump can be voted out in 4 years. Hillary can be voted out too but if Hillary gets in we will have to live with her justices for the rest of our lives.

 

You serious?! That pathological liar couldn't even tell the truth about how she got her own damn NAME! Claiming she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, the mountain climber, who didn't become well known until AFTER he climbed the mountain which was 6 YRS AFTER she was born! Gawd......get real!

Then she bald-faced lied about 'dodging sniper bullets in war-torn Bosnia. When she was confronted w/the video showing her landing w/a goofy smile on her face and not a bullet in sight, she flipped it off by saying "I misspoke'....and no apology to the military for making them look to incompetent to protect the 1st lady.

Not long ago she was asked if she tells the truth. Her answer was "I always try to tell the truth'....."TRY"? There's no 'trying' about it. You either tell the truth or you don't and she knows damn well she's lying when she's lying......there's one thing you have to give that corrupt female credit for - she's not stupid. She knows exactly what she's saying when she's lying again.