Does 'Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself' still apply today?

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Is Russia our neighbor?

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And does it also apply to Russia about which nation we have heard nothing but terrible things in the news of late?

    Things as bad as we heard about Assad, and Col. Qaddafi, and Saddam Hussein, and Ho Chi Minh and all the other countries before we bombed them to help them.

    From Alaska, Russia is easily visible, only 2.5 miles away on most days, and the borders do touch - but does that make it a neighbor?
     
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    Loving others does not preclude defending oneself.
     
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    Yes but it does include patience, understanding, not quick to judge. That means not making false testimony, aka propoganda and hate.

    That being said, Russia as a government is not a person. **** their government and **** ours. **** the wars that kill innocent people.
     
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    Russians are undergoing the same state sponsored media campaign that led us to cheer for bombing and invading Iraq after it had nothing to do with 9/11. A lot of Russians arent buying it and don't wanna support the war that they're being forced to support...just like we were and did. Also a lot of Russians believe there exists a credible threat to their nation in Ukraine that they have to stop by any means necessary ...just like we did in Iraq. If propaganda wasn't effective, it wouldn't be used.

    For those of you that love to celebrate with the media any time some Russians get killed, just recall how you responded when people in other nations celebrated the deaths of our soldiers when we were bombing weddings and handing rocket launchers to ISIS.

    I think its OK to hate the evil actions of governments, and its certainly understandable to hate the individual perpetrators of war crimes, but lets try a little harder to not get caught up in the sports cheering 'us vs them' BS that the govt and the war industry is pushing (on both sides) of the human meatgrinder. There's plenty of good folks in Russia who don't wanna kill Ukrainians, just like I didn't wanna buy more remote control bombs to kill civilians in Arabia. There wasn't a lot I could do about it, and the same goes for the average Russian, who, its worth noting, is currently pondering whether they would prefer to go fight or go to prison.
     
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    Next time you face a rapist... have patience. Next time someone attacks you with a knife... try understanding. If you live through it... THEN you can worry about testimony an propaganda. But it probably won't be an issue.

    People die in wars. If you feel you must surrender and be a slave, feel free to do so. But please have some tolerance for those who would rather be free.
     
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    Would you go into prison and cut the hands and legs off of inmates so that they could never harm anyone? There are limits to what is okay in defending oneself and the USA, China, and Russia etc (government) likes to call everything a defense with no judge or jury to say otherwise.
     
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    Who in God's name is suggesting cutting off arms and legs?
    Have another toke.
     
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    Russia is another country and a nation is not a Christian.

    To "love" someone does not mean to cater to the whims of others.
     
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    Russia is another country and a nation is not a Christian.

    To "love" someone does not mean to cater to the whims of others.
     
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    Here in the USA we sure do have a judge and jury. Its called CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL. It doesn't take an ACT OF WAR, but without Congressional approval you get no fuel, bullets or chow.
     
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    Thats how its sposed to be ...but certain of our organizations have known for quite a while that you can fund a lot of unsanctioned **** without congress by selling drugs, guns and children to criminals.
     
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    Congress is owned by the weapons makers anyway.

    There was in 2001 some badly written legislation put to Congress for weapons to use to kill our enemies, the terrorists,
    whoever they were and there was no time limit.

    But only one person out of both houses voted against it.

    When predatory finance or the weapons makers want something, Congress is just a rubber stamp.
     
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    Congress is owned by the people that elect its members. Your hatred of America and your ridiculous allegations don't change that.
    What weapon legislation are you referring to? You want to surrender to terrorists?
    Near unanimous votes usually indicate wise and necessary legislation is involved.
     
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    Let's say Russia is our neighbor. Why does that mean I can't criticize them for their fascism? Your standard for the golden rule seems to be that we can never criticize anyone for anything that they ever do no matter how heinous it is. By this standard, you can't even condemn mass murderers and pedophiles. It's a very flawed version of the golden rule.
     
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    Thar is from Leviticus 19:18, and is about Jews loving each other, not everybody else. The Talmud defines 'neighbors' as fellow Jews, not goyim. Goyim are not considered humans by the Orthodox, ultra-Orthodox, and Hasidim.

    18 “Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against a fellow Israelite, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD . 18 "Don't seek revenge or carry a grudge against any of your people. "Love your neighbor as yourself.
     

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