Does Yahweh prefer a troubled and suffering humanity?

In the end, it doesn't really matter. Language is a human invention; it can never truly convey the exact nature of God.

We can start with the fact that no god but God is worthy of worship.

How is God an idol? He is the creator of everything, and all-powerful. His perfection precludes Him from being an idol, as no idol can possibly be perfect.

Nonsense, I am right because I have reason on my side.

 

Hehe, yep.

 

Honestly, I did not actually see this post of yours before I posted my own similar post. Great minds think alike, I guess (or maybe if you think like me you are in need of some serious counseling sessions, I'm afraid to say.)

 

You have balls, that's for sure, and I admire that.....you say you have reason on your side and your religion has a flying horse with wings and a human head, that magically flew Mohammad to Jerusalem (they didn't have Uber back then so they had to make due with what they had, I guess.) Hey, I admire your chutzpah, you make even Donald Trump look like a meek, shrinking violet in that department. More power to ya.
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Please, atheists think something like the universe popped out of no where. Now that's just plain silly.

 

Nah, any god worth pondering on would just want us to be exactly who we are. Miserable or not I guess.

I would think that lots and lots of misery would make people less inclined to believe in a forgiving god.

Most countries (the US is a bizarre kettle of fish) become more religious during times of upheaval. The cause of all the problems? DING DING DING---Man turning from god and pursuing secular goals. SOLUTION --- get everyone back to being the god fearing supplicants they should be. By any means necessary in many cases.

The fact that we might pray during an earthquake, or when bullets are flying around, is more to do with stress management than it does with religious faith.

 

You asked the wrong question. God wants people to improve, and people don't improve without challenges.

 

The question is 100% correct - in that it's precisely what I wanted to ask. Perhaps you simply don't know the answer?

 

Theists think an invisible magic man (who isn't a man) in the sky popped out of nowhere - and finds car keys.

 

1) if gender doesn't matter why don't you call your god "She"?
2) you can't start with that because most gods are considered the only god worthy of wirship. if most gods are "only" gods, the whole thing is just personal preference and vanity.
3) everyones' god is an idol to someone else. your feelings about your own god make not a bit of difference to this leveller. many gods are perfect, and created everything. you see the problem? no matter how much you insist you're right - the minute someone else makes the same claim about a different god, you're nowhere.
4) you are exactly as "right" as every other person who claims a one true god. And many of them have exactly the same 'reason' on their side.

 

Nobody knows the answer, explaining God's intentions is like an ant trying to explain a humans intentions.

My take on it is that God doesn't want people to suffer for the sake of suffering, God wants people to become better. Growth requires challenges, and some of those challenges are going to be painful.

And no, you did not ask the right question. Your first 2 paragraphs were quite promising, but the actual question was biased and designed to inject your personal dislike into the subject.

 

Blame the English language. When it comes to Arabic, the male pronoun does not imply a gender.

Well then those adherents will have to prove how their gods are worthy of worship. It's hard to beat God when He is perfect; the Creator of everything; all- good and all-wise; and so forth.

1. I don’t think you know what an idol exactly is.

2. Perhaps you can name me ONE god who could possible be equal (if not greater) to the Lord of all mankind.

Can you point me out to those who claim a one true god? If they believe that this god is the creator of everything; and that he perfectly encapsulates the best of qualities, then we are obviously talking about the same God. The question whether you have any examples. All you have provided me so far is imperfect pagan deities.

 

Nope, theists believe God is eternal. No wonder atheists don't believe in God- they barely understand Him. Why bother understand when you can scoff and mock?

 

Well, it has apparently been trolling humanity since the start, so yeah, the more we suffer the better it likes it. (humanity should have went with Baal. lol.

Cmon, your talking about the being that when it created the Earth, made a perfect garden for the first two people, then in the center of it, put a tree and told them to not eat from that tree. (instead of I dunno, not putting the damn tree there to begin with) or how about later on not giving a damn about all the slavery that was going on except for ONE group of people, and telling one guy to convince the leader of the slave holding nation to let all the slaves leave, and messing with the free will of the slave holding nation's leader so that he would refuse.

 

I say the universe is eternal. No wonder theists don't believe this, they barely understand it

My point being, either the rules are: something CAN come from nothing (ie, god and/or the universe), or they aren't. You can't say something can't come from nothing, then immediately afterwards say "except the stuff that did" ... like your god.

 

1) fair enough about the Arabic language. I'd like to see a few Muslims call god "she", though. I feel it would be a good influence
2) all those adherents can prove their gods are as worthy of worship as you can yours. many will also say it's hard to beat (their) god when same is perfect, the creator of everything, all good, and all wise and so forth. no amount of superlatives you type will make your god more goddy than anyone else's god. if others think exactly as you do (and have old books etc to back them up) about their own gods, you're NOWHERE. you thinking or feeling they're wrong amounts to nothing, because they think and feel you are wrong ... equally. why is this so hard to understand?
3) an idol is any god not your own, from a theist's point of view.
4) many many gods have been called the lord of all mankind. literally, thousands of them.
5) once again, many thousands of gods have been called perfect.

 

The universe can't possibly be eternal. Did it not have a beginning? Is it not expanding? Will it not eventually come to an end?

God by definition cannot possibly come from nothing. It goes against His very nature of being perfect and the Creator of everything.

 

so God's Genderless, but wants to be a man?


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1) if nobody knows the answer, why do so many Christians claim to have magical understanding which non-believers don't have? and how is it that they often claim to know their god's intentions, and seem to know an awful lot about what he/she does and doesn't like, etc? most importantly, if you have no idea of your god's intentions, how do you know he/she even has intentions?
2) how can you have a 'take on it' when you have no way of knowing your god's intentions - which you claimed in the previous sentence?
3) I asked the question I wanted an answer to. It's a perfectly reasonable and sensible question. If a creator deity gains adherents and becomes more prominent during hard times, one can't help but wonder if hard times are necessarily preferable to that deity. You would probably happily ask the same question of any being or person not your god ... so it's only a 'wrong question' because you don't like it being applied to your deity. Might be a good opportunity to ask yourself why?

 

can something come from nothing?

if your assertion is 'no', then your god is a bust. if you're going to start making rules and regulations for the universe, you have to consider the implications of doing so. and you can't simply move your god 'outside' the universe, in order to exempt her/him/it from your rules ... because I can turn around and move the original universe (in whatever form) outside also.

 

No.

Incorrect, as God by definition and logic cannot be created. The notion goes against His very nature. The same cannot be said about the universe.

I'm simply going by scientific observation. You can argue that the universe is eternal, but you would be wrong in asserting so.

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Huh..?

 

1) I say the universe can't be created, because it goes against its very nature. See, anyone can say anything about anything ... it doesn't make any of it true.
2) scientific observation tells me that the universe is eternal. it may be in a different form over time, but it's eternal. ask your god, he'll know, since the two have been palling around for eternity

 

To say that the universe was created is to say that causality has a cause. It doesn't make any sense.

 

The difference is that the universe can be scientifically observed and analyzed. The evidence proves that it is not eternal. Thus, your personal opinion on the matter is irrelevant.

Nonsense, as the universe had a beginning. How can something that is eternal have a beginning? How can something that is eternal be expanding and constantly changing?

 

If their god has the exact same qualities and attributes as God, then we obviously worship the same God. You however have so far failed to provide us with any examples of these gods. Vishnu, Zeus, and Thor do not equate to God (who is unlike anything) whatsoever.

Thousands, and yet you have failed to provide us with a single example.