Early PF poll

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by gringo, Jan 24, 2024.

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if the election were tommorrow..who has your vote??

  1. Trump

    20 vote(s)
    48.8%
  2. Biden

    21 vote(s)
    51.2%
  1. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    I kind of hope he is so liberals can feel more pain, the problem is they take everyone down on the sinking ship.

    But he's such a moron I really doubt that he'll get near as many votes as he did the first time
     
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    The “Moron Biden” got 81 million vote and defeated Trump in 2020. With all the smartness , all Trump can do is running around the country and claim he won 2020 election.
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Do you remember the early days of the Biden administration when they promised that the inflation was transitory?

    Well it turns out that was a damn lie. Don't worry because I'm sure that the rest of America has noticed this as well.

    I don't know about you but I'm not exactly thrilled about paying more for everyday goods and services.
     
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    Endeavor Well-Known Member

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    Biden is POTUS and NOT GOD that Biden can lift up his hand and magically fix inflation.

    You want a GOD rather then POTUS who will fix all your problem. it makes sense that you want to vote for Orang god.
     
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  5. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    None of the above.
     
  6. gringo

    gringo Well-Known Member Donor

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    Biden beat trump by close to 8 million votes in 2020

    and since then Trump is facing 91 criminal charges

    so in 2024 there must be about 8 million voters change from Biden to Trump for trump to win

    this is called wish in one hand and $hit in the other

    and before you loser trumpers go nuts

    I know the winner is who has the most electoral votes ..

    I predict Biden wins the popular vote by 15 million votes and the electoral votes stay the same as 2020
     
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    it's amusing. The Talibiden faithful blame Trump for the Chinese Viral plague unleashed on the USA and claim he didn't do anything to stop it but they claim it's not Biden's fault that more died under Biden's first year than the one year Trump was in office during the COVID plague. They claim Biden is responsible for more people working now but deny he is responsible for inflation and gas prices.

    Either Biden is responsible for both the alleged good and the bad, or he is not
     
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    Ok .. ok .. if you insist

    We will blame Trump for COVID-19 and all the death and destruction in the world in 2020 and blame Biden for inflation and gas price.
     
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    Neither man. I would either vote for a third party or write-in candidate or not at all.

    Neither of those men deserve to be in a position of power ever again.
     
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    Neither. Like around a quarter to a third of all Americans I’m looking for another choice other than Trump or Biden. Basically, any third name on the ballot would do as long as it isn’t Trump nor Biden. RFK Jr. or whoever is the no labels party candidate or perhaps the Libertarian. Who that third name is? That’s irrelevant. I want my vote officially registered as being against both. I refuse to help either one win. Most Americans don’t want this rematch, 58% of all Americans don’t want Biden to run again, to be reelected, 53% don’t want Trump to run again either. Questions 14 and 15. I’m among them.


    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_HvTrDQB.pdf
     
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    Well, it does not work like that.
    There is no viable challenger in the primary.
    Haley has one or two more chances. RFK, Jr. has no party. Love him or hate him, Trump is viable.

    For the democrats, if there is anyone to blame it is the DNC's rules of succession, and democrat quirky politics of not allowing fellow democrats any recognition for pushing, sponsoring, or leading legislative initiatives - forcing the potential giants to remain midgets.
    So as the time bomb ticks away, in the democrat wing is:
    Harris who wins by default if Biden wins and resigns* thus freezing out Newsom, Michelle Obama, and RFK, jr.
    If Biden resigns or croaks before the election, the DNC will have to decide whether to have a succession fight this late in the game or default to Harris.

    *Most likely DNC party leaders will offer Harris a no-show, million a year patronage post somewhere in California or (wherever she wants) for going quietly, thus teeing up Newsom and Michelle. RFK, Jr is frozen out for being a party rebel. He may go third party, but I doubt it.
     
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    except more have died under Biden. fail
     
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    To hell with both those clowns. RFK. There are some things I do not agree with him on, but he is infinitely better than Trump or Biden.

    RFK>Trump>Biden.
     
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    It used to be that I considered Biden and Trump about equaly bad, but now Biden has become such a warmonger that he has slipped to 3rd place.
     
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    Cornel West
     
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    a 3rd option is a vote for Trump
     
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    our economy can't take another 4 years of Trump, that is for sure - we are still recovering from the last 4 years
     
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    Don't worry inflation is transitory and Big Daddy Biden is going to fix it for us.

    Remember that lie from 3 years ago?

    Not looking too transitory when you go to the grocery store is it?

    Not looking too transitory when the price of literally all goods and services across the board are up. When's big daddy going to fix it?
     
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  19. gringo

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    perfect example of a trumper “owning the libs”

    this seems to be the only platform the trumpers have

    Their logic is. “Vote for trump just because it will piss off the libs”
     
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    RFK Jr. is interesting. He’s already bolted the Democratic Party for an independent run. RFK Jr. has already obtained ballot access in Utah and New Hampshire and is in the process of getting on 10 more state ballots, Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Nevada, New York and Texas.


    Another possibility, the No Labels Party. No Labels has ballot access in at least 14 states, worth 123 electoral college votes: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, Nevada, North Carolina, Oregon, South Dakota, and Utah. Signature gatherers have another 14 states in their sights between now and November. Although no labels haven’t settled on a candidate as of yet. But they have at least 7 more weeks to do so.


    How viable will any of them be or would either RFK Jr. or No Labels have a chance of winning even if they are well financed which I doubt they’ll be? Probably not much. Most republicans will vote for Trump, most democrats for Biden. That leaves independents, although they make up 40% of the electorate according to Gallup, that not enough to win. However, 55% of all Americans state they’d consider voting for a moderate third-party candidate. 64% of all Americans say this country needs another choice other than just Trump and Biden. In a three-way race between Trump, Biden and Kennedy, RFK Jr. is getting 18% of the vote to include 23% of independents. No Labels wasn’t included in any polling.


    https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/HHP_Jan24_KeyResults.pdf


    I agree the DNC and democratic party leaders have done everything within their power to ensure no viable, prominent democrat challenged Biden. The Democratic base wants someone other than Biden, the DNC and the democratic party leadership want Biden, thus Biden it will be. The Republicans are the opposite, the GOP base wants Trump, the RNC and Republican Party leaders prefer someone else.


    Poll: Two-thirds of Democrat-leaning voters don't want Biden as 2024 nominee


    https://www.axios.com/2023/09/07/poll-biden-2024-second-term-democrat-voters-cnn
     
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    As bad as that is, it is at this point better than a vote for Biden, though just barely. Trump is a divider, Biden is an extreme warmonger and completely ineffectual as a leader. They are very close in how bad they are for the country, but I think Trump beats out Biden by a hair. Best case scenario is third party wins.
     
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    warmonger, lol, after 20 years of wars in the Middle East, with boots on the ground, I will take this

    btw, Putin and Hamas started these wars, not Biden
     
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    I know .. and most of them are Trump voter who rather took ivermectin horse dewormer then life saving vaccine. It is sad that our fellow American had to die from a virus just because they listened to conservative media and didn’t take vaccine.
     
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    Both wars are only able to continue because of Biden's support, and his decisions are expanding the conflicts, not reducing them. His weak leadership is fanning the flames. We cannot afford four more years of this nonsense. Not that Trump would be much better.
     
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    we are not gonna just let Putin or Hamas win without a fight, sorry
     
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