East Jerusalem should be declared Palestinian state's capital, say Muslim world leaders

So, despite UN partition plan and following resolutions ... Arab and Muslim countries can keep on not recognizing Israel ... so why should Israel recognize Palestine?

This is the never-ending circular debate which stops all.

It's like to hear:

"if you don't recognize me I won't recognize you"
"recognize me first!"
"no at all, you have to recognize me first!"

mmhhh, I don't see a way out ...

 

About the last line ... actually it's a genuine question. Clearly US have got their interests in the region, but which parts there gain an advantage with the presence of this America, with this administration? Israel? In a different thread you have substantially sustained that Trump is damaging the Jewish State, so?

 

Well Israel certainly hoped so and have stood with Trump and other right wing parties in Europe despite their antisemitism. The hope by the Christian Right seemed to be to just declare Jerusalem the Capital of Israel and all would be huncky dorie. This I think is based on a belief that because the US is the world power and has the best military it can rule the world and go against International law. What is happening now is only people beginning to think of a response but no one supported the US at the UN and what the US has suggested is against International Law. So far we are only hearing ideas put out. We need to see how they progress though as you know a week ago someone from Middles East Eye was suggesting people move their Palestine Embassy's to East Jerusalem. It could be that the people who eventually win from this are the Palestinians - although that in itself would help in a major hurdle to world peace but it has a long way to play out.

Well it must not be that substantial as I do not remember it. The only way in which I would say that is if this moves in the direction of the OP then yes, by trying to pull a fast one and get Israel all of Jerusalem, Israel could lose her Jewish State. That is because Trump is ending any farce about a two State solution and so if, as you claim, you want this to move towards resolving this issue it is probably going to be a one state solution with equal rights and citizenship for all people which would indeed end the concept of a Jewish State but does not need to end the idea of a decent non sectarian state which everyone could benefit from. I do not see current Israel moving in that manner though. Then there is the idea of Federal States, not sure how that works out but as I said that would have to give the Palestinians a deal equivalent to that promised at Oslo so yes I would say that the probability is that who the States will help the most in trying to make Jerusalem the Capital of Israel against International Law is the Palestinians though this was not the intent and there is a long and dangerous road ahead.

 

Israel has taken more land than they were given..

I'm not a righteous type and I don't think our righteousness will save us, but I do believe in trying to do the descent, moral thing. I don't see that in the zionist mindset.. certainly not in Bibi's hardline gang.

 

What I'm curious about it's the European reaction:

European leaders have decided to keep the "status quo", rejecting the invitation to follow Trump's example [Israeli Prime Minister has invited other Western countries to imitate US and to move the embassy from Tel-Aviv to Jerusalem]. Easy stance: we do nothing, we wait and we keep good diplomatic relations with all.

Now?

What should European leaders do?

They will keep the blessed "status quo". I guess we will ignore also this move, avoiding to support it and of course avoiding to recognize East Jerusalem as capital of Palestine [and I cannot imagine an European country deciding to open an embassy c/o Palestine there!].

 

If it wasn't for Hamas' 'neighbours from hell' provocations - you know, trying to kill women and children with high explosives? - we'd never hear anything about Israel. And even if I had the inclination to, I don't need to go back into the mists of time 'to learn' because I know where you're coming from without doing it.

 

Hamas may "try" but the IDF "succeeds" into killing a lot more women and children than Hamas. By far. I guess you didn't knew.

And those they don't kill they pack into hi-density ghettoes, with like 3 hours of electricity a day. But I guess you'll find comfort in ignoring that, too.

What is it, Cerberus? Does your social programmation prevent you to see jews as anything but martyrs? Or maybe you are a jew in which case you feel obligated to support anything jews do? Loyalty to your tribe against the goy?

So what, you can't trust your own judgement so you won't get educated perchance you'll get indoctrinated? You already are!

 

I think one of the things it might do is take power away from the non helpful quartette

Resulting in the inability to treat sewage making the sea dangerous to heal and the inability to save the lives of those needing intensive care including babies.

 

But but but Alexa, they like it like that. They insist they be treated that way - you've got to understand that Palestinians are not like real humans, who long for prosperity, peace and happiness, but a terrible accident, a hive of untermenschen created for the sole purpose of annoying righteous ubermenschen by the way of kamikaze technics. Right Cerberus?

 

Yes they seem to be keeping the Status quo of 2 state solution.

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/world/...-on-Jerusalem/1068-4229312-ffmfqjz/index.html

The Two States solution, that is a solution which could give the Palestinians a viable congruous state as agreed at Olso has been destroyed by the EU and the US's allowance of Israel to continue her settlement expansion. Not only has that allowed Israel to move to a point where such a deal would likely have resulted in civil war, it has moved past that to allow Israel to move to a far right nation to support this. Keeping the two state farce going was the very thing which allowed Israel to continue expanding while pretending they were doing their jobs as part of the quartet.

So now, some truth searching will need to be done. Europe will not accept what Trump has done. Unless there is a massive change in attitude from the US I would think she has little alternative but to follow the initiative set by others or even as with the US find herself out of the equation. Russia has said they are there for negotiations.

 

At this point - any nation will do, except for the US. The US has dual Israeli and zionist citizen like Jared Kushner in its upper government, Kushner who both heads the american "peace delegation" in Palestine and finances zionist colonists who evicts Palestinians. Yet nobody in the EU sees the elephant in the room? Incredible. Maybe they assume that Kushner/Trump will be ousted soon.

I lost a good part of faith in the EU after the Catalonia debacle - it ain't going to get better with that. But at least they're still better than Canada!

 

Yes, that is true and they do see the elephant in the room. This however has been going on even before Trump came out in the open and has been colluded with by the EU.

However Trump has stepped over that line and it is now clear to the entire world that the US simply cannot be involved in negotiations concerning the Palestinians due to their overwhelming bias. It has always been there which possibly is why they thought they could pull this one. Now however a new way is needed to be found and if the EU is going to be part of that it is going to have to make bigger changes. Trump has though started the process for getting a just solution there.

Yes, Greece sort of showed what it was made of but Catelonia was the final straw for me also - which does not mean I would not still support the UK in the EU that was always with the proviso to work with others in the EU to make it democratic and end neo Liberalism.

Nonetheless if the EU itself does not want to be left out, it is going to have to have to start putting its money where its mouth is, that is genuinely look for a fair deal for the Palestinians. That may well see a change of alliances.

 

Here we go

https://www.dawn.com/news/1376772

 

Ah yes, China. It's a kind of outsider, so that it will be interesting to observe if Beijing will make political pressure acting to obtain that ... a declaration is a declaration, let's see if there will be concrete steps.

From what I read there, China is on the same position as Europe [well, after Brexit we have to be more specific: EU]. EU has always declared to support the two states solution.

But now, we've got something real: the US embassy is going to move to Jerusalem from Tel-Aviv. So far we have had only words ...

On the other side we've got a group of Muslim countries showing the will to do something real too.

I'm at the window ... observing what happens.

 

As are we all but if that was intended to be an expression of lack of bias.........

 

P.S. there is the possibility that the group of Arab countries think to stop Trump making this kind of pressure [if Jerusalem East is the capital of Palestine, US cannot put there the American Embassy]. But my guess is that US embassy will be in the Western part of the city. Leaving all the possibilities on the table.

 

We are on a political forum. Who posts on this message board is [at least] anyway politically oriented. So ...

 

The place where they had originally planned in putting their Embassy was very controversial - I think being where Palestinians had suffered some awful something and possibly still legally belonged to Palestinians. I can't remember but the place itself was likely to stir.

 

I wish aliens would come down and disintegrate every major religious symbol (without causing any casualties)...EVERYWHERE.

I am so bloody sick of people freaking out over this religious artifact/place and that religious artifact/place.

A complete waste of time.

Religion. BY FAR humanities dumbest major invention.

 

Indeed that is what this is all about. However a statement at this time clearly has a purpose.

After Brexit - well with the UK being the prime pusher for Israel's will in the EU, after Brexit the EU ought to find it easier to change.

No saying it, is not yet real. It has simply woken everyone up. The end point would probably leave Israel with West Jerusalem as its capital anyway so the US along with the Philippines can move their Embassy's there early watching their increasing isolation in the world. Who cares? Past that now.

Which was always known and why no other President would open this box.

 

Yes, but if Hamas didn't try, and keep trying, Israel wouldn't need to succeed? Jeeeeesus!

And sorry to disappoint you but I'm not Jewish.

 

I haven't understood if this administration will follow previous ideas about where to put the Embassy in Jerusalem or if there will be a new research [my impression is that they will make a new research].

 

Join the club, but it isn't really their fault because religion is in the DNA.

 

I still vote for the G word on this one.

No room for a massive population of severely inbred people to be roaming this planet.

 

Killing yourself is not a moral choice.