Economics is Taught with a Left Wing Bias

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    The COTUS checks are being tested right now.
     
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    I'd say the COTUS checks were tested and failing by the Civil War and have failed ever since. Remember govt always triumphs over liberty.
     
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    That would be true proved it is a zero sum game. But since money is in a huge pot, so to speak, there will be workers and teachers.
     
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    your are missing the point completely!! if the govt hires a worker the private sector cant so its a lie for govt to say that is helping unemployment with govt spending. Now do you understand
     
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    The corollary being of course if the private sector hires a worker, the government can't. Is that more clear?

    Actually there is no single source of money once it is in circulation. And the feds know all about inflation.
     
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    the govt can raise taxes forcing the private sector to cut back employees that the govt can then hire. This is a net negative for the economy. Do you understand?
     
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    Central power did contract after the Civil War. It did not start to metastasize until the progressive era and the Wilson administration. The American people are now in almost virtual opposition to their own government.

    “Americans view reducing government corruption as the second-highest priority for the next president, behind only job creation, according to a new Gallup pollreleased Monday.
    **Eighty-seven percent** of respondents said that reducing corruption in the federal government is an “extremely important” or “very important” priority for the next president, compared(*)with 92 percent who said the same about creating good jobs.” A new Gallup poll finds that jobs creation is Americans' top priority.
    Poll: Corruption is No. 2 issue, By TIM MAK 07/30/12 06:17 AM EDT
    http://www.politico.com/story/2012/07/poll-corruption-is-2-issue-for-2013-079109

    Will Trump reduce the size power and cost of government if elected? It would have to be over the opposition of the entire RP/DP/MSM political class.
     
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    how can it contract when the central power killed 560,000 people to establish that divorce was not going to be tolerated, that the central power was all powerfuL

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    if so why are half prepared to vote for Hilary who almost perfectly represents the govt, and the corruption in it.
     
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    The USG contracted after the Civil War. Almost all of the troops went back home and habeas corpus was restored along with hard money. The vast bureaucracy of the leviathan state did not appear in the US until Wilson was elected.

    We will not know how many will vote for Clinton until November. Many who fear Big Government will still vote for Clinton because they are dependent on government. It is also very easy for people to not believe the RP. They may believe Trump.

    Here is his potential voter base:

    “Record High in U.S. Say Big Government Greatest Threat, Now 72% say it is greater threat than big business or big labor”, by Jeffrey M. Jones, Gallup, 12/18/13.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/166535/r...syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All
     
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    Yes, it is not FDR that is the father of socialism, it is Wilson. But FDR blew the doors off by adding many more levels of socialism.

    Some defend socialism. But why can't they think of other ways to solve problems?

    Let's take you back to say 1944. I got sick. Mom took me to the hospital. There they took out my tonsils and adnoids. Back then there was no safety net. I was not told the cost of the bill, surgery hospital, etc. But it was affordable. I know because my father only made auto mechanic wages at a local Dodge dealer. And at that time, there were no new cars. People had no choice but to repair the cars they had. Mom was the sort of person had it been backbreaking, she would have talked about it around the house. I had no idea what doctors charged or hospitals. When I got my physical in 1954 to play highschool football, the cost of that exam was $10 At that time dad was making about $3.92 per hour. Mom did not have a job. They never complained about the cost of any doctor or hospital at that time.

    What changed?

    Insurance plans
    The Feds got into this field

    Suddenly rates skyrocketed.

    I told you why costs went way up. Now you know.
     
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    I did not have to ask why costs go up. ;-)

    Government is by its very nature corrupt and dangerous. It is a necessary evil. That is why the more advanced societies have tried to create systems to check and balance its power. Good does not have to be checked and balanced.

    A political class always evolves around government. That class has a built in bias in favor of expanding government budgets and power.
     
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    occupation is not really a contraction.
     
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    The other way is capitalism and a liberal will lack the IQ to understand how capitalism works.A child can understand socialism: magical govt gives you stuff for free. Its about like a child believing in Santa Claus. Liberals are actually that stupid, believe it or not.
     
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    In fact, the USG contracted after the Civil War. The size power and cost of the USG shrank - quickly.
     
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    I have myself called government evil. But why do we call it evil and not something else. Maybe the very best term is it does not care. I could start working for Government and be the most caring person walking the earth. Some person in the public needs help and needs it right now. Not next year, today. So, wanting to help them the Govt. Worker tries. But runs into regulations. Gets told it is not in the budget. Told it is not how the system works. In other words, this government we think is there to help us either can't or won't.

    A small example is the child. Mom calls the cops. Child is 15. She pleads with the cops to find her daughter. The story goes she has to be gone X hours to get the cops to help. Sure Cops want to help immediately. They don't because of regulations.

    I am sure a longer better list can be come up with. But that is the tone of government. Tone deaf in other words.

    Politicians make a living out of making promises. We later complain they did not keep the promises. Take that Trump wall with Mexico. Such a wall would be blocked by bureaucratic bungling. i recall when Bush was constructing it how it ran into all sorts of trouble. Locals wanted a say too.
     
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    My son in law is a former police officer for a SF Bay area city. He is not real talkative about police problems but over the years we have chatted at times and he opens up.

    Take the simple arrest. They nab somebody and you might think they can easily get the perp handled by the other agency. I asked him why they did not pick up illegals. He said it was not up to them to house illegals and that they could not get the feds to pick them up. So why arrest them to feed them in the jail?
     
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    i cringe when I read Democrats get called liberal. It sounds like they are such nice people. I speak in the government term since I know some wonderful Democrats who would do anything to help others. They do not really understand the party, the Democrat religion so to speak.

    Let's call the Democrats the party of broken promises. The party of BS.

    They make their voters vote for them by telling them all the things they will do.

    But over and over and over, the next election shows them making the same exact promises over and over and over.

    They always make promises. They promise you a seat with GOD. Then you get nothing.

    Oh if you are in business where you hire people, they will douse your fires of commerce with new laws. But that is not helping. It hurts the economy.

    At my age I have seen them promise when I was a Democrat and make excuses by claiming those dirty republicans blocked us. I don't want promises. I want action. The Democrats and Republicans come at government from two angles.

    Democrats promise to help you then try to ruin the businessman that hired you.

    Bear that in mind, as you recall when Obama told business they did not build that, Democrats are out to run businesspeople.

    We find that Obama blocked even some non profits from being approved because he did not like their politics. We have busted democrats so many times doing things wrong only to have the media run cover for Democrats.

    I lose hope at times the system can be solved. Democrats are not liberal at all.
     
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    The fact that government is inherently evil does not require everyone who works for government to be evil. Government, by its very nature, will always lead to the creation of a ruling political class. A political class that does "care" about its own interests above those of the nation and people they govern.

    “After a while, the distinctions between the clans all run together– the journalists, the Democrats, the Republicans, the superlawyers, the superlobbyists, the superstaffers, the supercommittees, the David Gergen's, the Donna Brazile's … they run together like the black tie dinner, or the caricature drawings of notable Washingtonians on the wall at the Palm on Nineteenth Street.” Mark Leibovich, This Town, Penguin Books, 2013, p. 14.

    Government inevitably becomes a mechanism for the enrichment and empowerment of a ruling elite.
     
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    I try from time to time to explain using personal experience.

    Most have not had that experience I have had in life.

    I agree with the gist of your comments.

    But make no mistake, a Democrat is not a republican or vice versa.

    I was once one of 16 directors at a real estate board that in size was among the largest in this country.

    We represented 13 cities. Most real estate boards may represent one small city. Some have a range of say a city the size of San Francisco.

    Point being though we did not campaign for office based on political party, we all had agendas.

    My agenda was to do my very best to work for the entire group of Realtors to get them all the best deal from their own organization.

    One might believe all of the directors did the same thing. But I found the board of Directors had factions.

    Essentially the CEO that boards pay to manage the place day to day, end up playing a pretty important role. The board president is supposed to be the leader, but it is pretty easy for the CEO to end up being the defacto leader.

    A sharp CEO can pretty much rule the roost.

    He has the accountants working at the board. He has the ability to pick up the phone and chat with the lawyers boards use to consult on legal issues.

    My major point is though one might expect all directors to be for the same things, my experience is that in many issues, they are for the same things. But in some very vital issues, they are not on the same page. One can try to learn the votes of any board of directors to learn that they will vote one direction by say 60 percent and 40 percent will not vote that way.

    I have come to realize that without even knowing it, I believe our votes on the board were in effect according to party lines. Democrats have a unique belief. But republicans are purely for the public.

    Take me, I was constantly for the best interests of the agents and brokers.

    But I never got my way all the time. I was blocked on some pretty major issues where the other side gave the middle finger to some of the boards members.

    So some wise acre might tell his pal, Robert is just like the rest of them.

    But they never saw my my voting record nor were at tall the meetings where all that was discussed. They never knew the entirety of the issues.

    So, when you put a politician in and you think he or she is honest, they don't always come out on top. But too often they still get lumped in with the corrupted people. But they fight corruption but votes matter.

    I used to get angry at how Pelosi and Reid ran each house. They were blocking the republicans 100 percent of the time.

    I am this sort of person. I know I know a limited amount. I know I have limited experience. I like to therefore ask those who had experience doing this that or the other. I like most a collection of ideas. I try to study each idea and match the best of the best to the conditions at hand. I listen to the experts and try to accept them at face value. I think most of the time people are trying to do the best. If I catch them lying, that really muddies the waters.

    Here is what makes me angry.

    This is not about the real estate board but is about a client I used to have.

    He was an auto mechanic. I was at his place of business were he was working on some girls car for her. He also had the hots for every good looking woman that came to the business.

    I used to own a "speed shop." My business then was to put together race engines.

    So I knew about autos.

    I noticed him spraying a cleaner on her carburettor that makes them sparkle like new ones.

    It was cool for her to have a clean carburettor but she paid for that. Cost was the factor.

    He actually told me to my face he cleaned it so he could charge her for a brand new carburettor. She still had the same old one but she paid the shop for new one. I was shocked. I felt like he belonged in jail.

    My comments points is that some are very honest. Some do to the public what that mechanic did to that poor woman. She was robbed. I ended up dropping him for a client. I hate dishonest people. But they are all over the place.

    I can judge our congress on CSPAN. I pick up their pattern of honesty or dishonesty. I think Cummings is a bit crooked. I think Gowdy is very honest. I think Watters is dishonest. I think many of the Democrats are real dishonest.
     
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    The differences between the beliefs of Democrats and Republicans are more significant than the differences between members of the bipartisan ruling political class in Washington where the opportunity to amass large personal fortunes through the use of the mechanisms of government become the highest priority.

    “In recent years, despite thousands of bills introduced into Congress every year, only a small percentage (approximately 5%) become law. Of course, what matters for laws is quality not quantity. But why would legislators bother to introduce so many hopeless bills? What if they are not even designed to pass? What if they are instead designed to make money? The cold harsh reality in Washington is this: the very conditions that are so maddening for most Americans —gridlock, problems being ignored, hyper partisanship — are the very conditions that are most lucrative for the Permanent Political Class. Washington may not be working for citizens, but it's working quite well for members of the Permanent Political Class who profit handsomely.” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, BuyVotes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013, p. 7,8.

    Government will always be all about a political class cashing in and expanding its power to cash in.
     
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    I plan to get that book. I will evaluate it upon reading it.

    It is not the first time authors have explained our politicians. I don't want the public to get the idea 100 percent of our politicians operate that way. I will say that over 90 percent of the Democrats do in fact operate that way.

    We have of course had some rogue republicans do it too.

    Dr. Colburn of course is very honest. I see Rand Paul the same. And his son. A lot of the public really do respect and appreciate honest politicians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope

     
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    I don't see that at all. They just seem real stupid but very decent and heartfelt efforts to help people with free stiff that actually cripples them.
     
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    While there are a very few rogue small government Republicans I am not aware of any small government Democrats in Congress.

    The lame duck Cronybus (Cromnibus) Bill is a fine example of how the corrupt bipartisan political class votes to spend money and nullify elections and the will of the people.

    “A massive federal spending bill finally won the House's approval Thursday night, less than three hours before a midnight deadline that threatened a federal shutdown. The measure's fate had been in doubt after it narrowly survived a rules vote earlier in the day. The final tally was 219-206.” NPR, Dave Chappell, 12/11/14. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...vote-on-controversial-cromnibus-spending-bill

    Here is the list of rogue Republicans in the House:

    “The Hill tells us who voted with the Democrats against the spending measure earlier Thursday:
    "The 16 Republican defectors were Reps. Justin Amash (Mich.), Michele Bachmann (Minn.), Dave Brat (Va.), Mo Brooks (Ala.), Paul Broun (Ga.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Tim Huelskamp (Kan.), Walter Jones (N.C.), Jim Jordan (Ohio), Steve King (Iowa), Raúl Labrador (Idaho), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Bill Posey (Fla.), Matt Salmon (Ariz.) and Steve Stockman (Texas)." NPR, Dave Chappell, 12/11/14.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...vote-on-controversial-cromnibus-spending-bill

    It is a short list.
     
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    You describe Democrat voters very well. Ditto Republican voters. Their political leaders in Washington are not at all like the people who vote for them.

    “[T]he running existential contradictions of D.C., a place where “authenticity and fantasy are close companions”, as the Washington Post’s Henry Allen once wrote. It misses that the city, far from being hopelessly divided, is in fact hopelessly interconnected. It misses the degree to which New Media has democratized the political conversation while accentuating Washington's insular, myopic, and self loving tendencies. It misses, most of all, a full examination of how Washington may not serve the country well but has, in fact, worked splendidly for Washington itself– A city of beautifully busy people constantly writing the story of their own lives.” Mark Leibovich, This Town, Penguin Books, 2013, p. 10.

    The bipartisan political class operates way above party politics. As the Sanders supporters have discovered factional politics is a phony show for the masses - a circus with many acts.
     
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    not at all!!! Republicans, for example nominate conservative Supreme Court justices and sign the Pledge while Democrats fight for the exact opposite. The only battle in human history has always been the battle between freedom and govt which is nicely represented by modern Republicans and Democrats. Do you understand?
     

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