Edward Snowden: American Hero, Whistleblower, Resister

George Orwell said that in an age of deceit speaking the truth is a revolutionary act. Read the story of a man who is sacrificing his everything to speak truth against lies. He has thrown America a rescue line if the American people are prepared to reflect on who they have become. It is worth noting that only the British Press is willing to be aggressive with the Obama Administration. That's why the story appears in the Guardian.

Here's the link to the Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

 

Interesting that he holes up in Hong Kong, where he can easily pass stuff on to China.

 

I've always found it amusing that the enemies of America on this forum always refer to traitors to this country and the West as heroes and refer to our hero agents in the field as taitors.

 

But don't you know America is always rubbing its hand together saying "good good, very nice." and planning world domination? and the American people are just sheep that let it happen? We are brainwashed but somehow these people from other nations have some better insight to what is going on? lol

 

Sheep? Hardly. Keep telling yourself that we are sheep being duped and would never support such things if we only had our blinders off. You are quaint in your naivete.

A friend of mine spent a number of years on patrol in Afghanistan. For fun, his group would warn a village that a convoy was moving through and that they all had to leave. Inevitabley, there was always a group who would tie up 15 to 20 camels outside a house and refuse to come out.

He and his pals had a trick of sawing the armor piercing tips from the .50 cal ammo so that when they opened up, they blew the camels in half with the improvised wadcutter rounds. He said that after blasting the camels in half, "business picked up" and always brought them out screaming and jabbering in muslim, waving rifles and shooting at them. They would engage, waste them and move on. Great times!

Sheep, lol.

 

Disgusting!

 

Eddard Snowden....KING OF THE NORTH!

This thread is full of Lannister Trolls.

 

This is a great description of why preemptive war is immoral. There's no reason to put our nobility in this position if we have not been conspicuously harmed prior to.

 

The Chinese have already hacked everything America has. The Chinese don't need this guy. But the Chinese have nothing to gain by cooperating with Uncle Sam on this guy's extradition.

 

Old America is dead. With its death all of my obligations to Uncle Sam were terminated. I have no reason to feel any affection for New Amerika. In fact New Amerika sees me as its enemy. So be it.

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Why does a beaten dog lick the hand of the master who beat it?

 

So you approve of the government censoring all media for everyone on the face of the planet?

Do you think this to be legal under the laws of the land? Is it OK to spy on innocent citizens and those in Congress etc?

My guess is that the government will just glibly brush this all under the rug like they do everything else. Nothing will change other than getting worse.

 

That would have won hearts and minds over - to the enemy.

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Does this mean support for Bradley Manning will increase?

 

I think the only fallout from all this is that the citizens will have a better understanding as to what they are up against. It will end up being like people under the KGB. They know what is up but keep quiet about everything and learn to do business in person like those in Washington do instead of on things that can be traced.

 

This just in, President Obama says that he has just learned about all this for the first time from the evening news and has decided to fire the janitor of the NSA.

Whew, glad that was taken care of.

Oddly enough, Obama has just won another transparency award, but I think for a different reason than before.

 

When I try to work out if an action or policy or whatever is morally right I look at motivation and result. Then I suppose after doing that in this case I should look at balance. So let me try.

Assumption is that a government agency is able to record all electronic communications regardless of where they emanate and where they terminate all over the world. Right then, they can do it, that's the assumption.

Should they do it?

Motivation – to keep the US safe. Okay, not a bad motivation.

Result – US is kept safe. Good result.

For those not in the US there is a slightly different look. Should the US government do this to foreign communications which neither emanate from nor terminate in the US? If the motivation is to keep the US safe then foreigners might say that's a bit selfish. But then what is the harm? An invasion of privacy? Would I allow my privacy to be invaded so that the US can keep itself safe? No problem. My privacy is not as important as the safety of another nation, even if it's not my nation. You can have my privacy, no worries.

The fear of course is the slippery slope. I do think that that begins to have effect when there is action from the surveillance. If the US government is only going to take action to protect the country from terrorist attack and isn't going to use all that collected data to blackmail someone, for example, then no problem. If the US government is going to pass on information to other countries governments which results in dire treatment of individuals who would not be committing a crime in similar circumstances in the US (e.g. banging on in a forum about how the government is bad) then I would have a major problem with that.

I suppose I'm arguing that provided there is a watertight restriction on the use and actions which flow from this intelligence-gathering then I have no problem with it. That's a foreigner's view and made in the knowledge that my electronic communications in my own country can be monitored and collected. But as I said, I have no problem with it given the intended result. So rather than throw up my hands and get all fussed over it, I'll say, well, go ahead, but make sure there is oversight and control and there is no misuse, or as little misuse as possible, during the process.

Your reference to the KGB is instructive. They were there to protect not the country but the regime - big difference.

 

WOW, another one dares to defy the system! Only 29 years old! I take that as a hopeful sign the new generation will be less corrupt and have more decency. I could never imagine him torturing another human being. May he be save in God's hands.

I also googled and am now on the NSA record and Mossad hitlist!!!!!


PRISM: Facebook and Google deny knowledge of top secret government spying initiative

Mark Zuckerberg and Larry Page both issued strong statements over recent media reports
Apple also denied any knowledge of the program's existence
Both said that their company has no link to the controversial scheme
PRISM data-mining program was launched in 2007 with approval from special federal judges
Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, YouTube, Skype, AOL and PalTalk are involved in spying program
The UK has had access to the PRISM data since at least 2010
Details of data collection were outlined in classified 41-slide PowerPoint presentation that was leaked by intelligence officer

http://www.miaminewsday.com/nationa...-top-secret-government-spying-initiative.html

 

Just think if they locked us all up in prison how safe we would all be.

Information is power. Off the top of my head there are a wide range of abuses that can occur with such power. Looking at the IRS it should drive home the point. Instead, you do what most dead heads do, defend the regime to the death.

Such is the sickness of the American populace. Big government just keeps getting bigger, so they can keep us all safe don't ya know. It's all good.

 

Wasn't 9/11 conspicuous enough for you?

 

They've done a fine job monitoring us. Let's see how they handle this.

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Terror is a tool of the state, and the goal of terror is to provide the justification for increased government controls over the population.

Hitler burned the Reichstag, blamed it on his enemies, quickly seized more power by force, ramped up the propaganda, demonized his enemies and began rounding them up for future disposal. The German people cheered this on - in the name of public safety.

Tyrants do what tyrants do... they can only go so far as a population is willing to allow them. Terrorist spitballs are useless against a stable, united, free, and common sense grounded population. Amerika is certainly no longer that.

Amerika has been systematically destablized over these past 60-100 years. Amerikan's are no longer capable of self government, as our Constitution has been written out of the history books and replaced with Madonna masterbating with a cucumber.

God bless Edward Snowden, he did the right thing. Freedom in Amerika is done - these last few years, before the transitional collapse is triggered, will be filled with news stories like this - but it won't be enough. The population is completely ignorant and doesn't understand what has been done, and what is being done to them.

They'll wake up one day and dare not whisper above their breath any criticism of the government - fear is a powerful master. Amerikan's are ripe for the picking - and it's harvest time.

 

What Edward the spy and traitor has done has put the USA and Americans at risk because he is sending a message to terrorist foreign and domestic a stradegy on how to escape detection. Just like all spies and traitors he will be brought to justice and spend the rest of his life in prison and maybe once he reach his 30th prison term he will realise his mistakes and regret ever betraying the country of democracy and freedom.

 

I assume you do realize that there is a specific reason why Snowden released the information when Chinese President Xi Jinping was in the United States, and that Snowden fled to China.

China already has hacked all of the information and data Uncle Sam seized from US citizens and people around the world.

It's in China's interest to use Snowden to embarrass the United States over the issue of human rights. The Chinese are smarter than Obama and his leftists.

 

Democracy??

That alone is reason enough to resist the growing tyranny that is our government. If America were transformed in August of 1945 from what it had been previous, to what it is today - everyone would have said we lost the war; but b/c the destruction of our country came about by way of subversion and decay over time, few people noticed. The process of demoralization.

As I said in my first post in this thread - America as a free nation is all but dead. Everything from here to the collapse is details.

 

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I certainly do not agree spying on the average /non-political citizens -- but I'm totally in favour of someone/everyone - keeping a sharp eye - - on Congressmen and every other political scoundrel- all over the world by fair or foul means .

IMO the lying SOBs should be under constant surveillance / closely watched every minute of the day.