Effective Ukrainian Partisan Attacks on Russian Forces

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  1. Durandal

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    I love liberty, which is one reason I, unlike you, condemn Russia's invasion and occupation of Ukraine.
     
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    Gifty...ya got that list of 80 or 100+ states ready to saddle up with BRICs?

    So is Putlerstan headed to SA for Brics?

    Why so many drones buzzing Moskva?

    Looks like "baba's z nozhum" Motherland statue getting rid of hammer & sickle....replace with Trident....orcs sound livid.:)

    Let's see that list...gifty.
     
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    Now Zoomie -- you need to get off that fantasy train. No one told you about no list -- Media telling us over 100 Nations interested in a competitor to USD Zoomer .. Sanctions a big fail Zoomer and them terrorist attacks serve only to strengthen resolve .. give justification to Russia's actions .. so "Why so many Drones buzzing" .. ?? desperate stupidity I suppose ... self harm at the end of the day.

    The Denazification program is a great success thusfar Zoomer .. Most of the Ethnic Russian Territory been captured .. Ukraine can't penetrate first line of defense but taking huge losses in the attempt .. losing the war of attrition .. short on ammo .. short on men .. and little air support to speak of .. casualty ratio's continue to range from 5-1 to 15-1 in the real slaughter fests.

    Word has gotten out Zoomer .. the green teens recently pressed into service by the Nazi SS Press Gangs don't want to be there .. don't want to fight .. defections and surrender becomming more common .. don't want to be part of these crazy Suicide missions.

    US and NATO grapple with critical ammo shortage for Ukraine
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html

    Sorry Zoomer -- ammo shortage is critical .. and relief years away. These young untrained lads are simply way out-gunned .. 10-1 artillery advantage .. in an artillery -Trench war ... now the Ukrainians don't have ammo to fire in the gun's they do have. As a result the Ukrainians have to resort to human wave attacks .. although smaller in size than previous .. they still just get slaughtered as they move through the grey zone trying to approach the first line of defense. Its a hopeless death trap the leaders and generals guilty of mass murder by Ukrainian Sausage Grinder.
     
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    I have condemned the occupation .. am against war .. so again you spew falsehood .. and are wrong. Now you claim to love "liberty" .. failing to qualify your claim "Only for things you agree with" .. and the glaring mistake of using the word "Liberty" instead of Essential Liberty .. as the claim that you love all liberty is preposterously and demonstrably false .. Do you love the liberty of others to shoot you on the basis of their love of Liberty ?

    This is the Problem with the Lino's this progressive Blue wokism -- they do not understand the terms they use .. have no understanding of the founding principle -- and due to this lack of understanding .. end up disrespecting the Essential Liberty of others .. as you have gleefully done .. completely dismissing essential liberty.. bodily autonomy not something you agree with ...one the basis of some fallacious collective harm argument .. the same totalitarian brush .. just with a different woke name... Azov Nazi .. is still a Nazi ... not on the basis of the name .. but on the basis of actions. "Forced Medical Treatment" --- concurrent with massive propaganda .. demonizing dissenters as "Unclean" .. marking them - same as a yellow star .. restricting movement .. complete with a modern version of the Krystalnacht ..taking away means of earning income and livelihood.

    Aye Durandal .. Mr. I Love Liberty .. doesn't love bodily autonomy liberty so much now does he.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Durandal --- you do not know what propaganda is .. so your claim is silly as can be. What is the lie you are referring to as "Propaganda" - Just because something comes from the Kremlin .. does not make it propaganda silly ?!

    Doesn't matter what the source - telling you that Ukraine ammo is running low -- as I have been for many months. If it is true it is not propaganda. And this is coming from Western Media . not the Kremlin .. and not a lie so not propaganda to begin with.

    Sorry friend .. you are living in the land of Self Contradiction --- claiming that the Western Media is spouting "Kremlin Propaganda verbatim" as you previously claimed that there is no Propaganda in Western Media.

    This is a big circular fallacy web you have created
     
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    What is wrong with the Kremlin Verson Jack ? Once again you have fallen down a fallacious rabbig hole .. as we are talking "Propaganda" .

    Not that my source was from Kremlin .. and who cares if it was .. or was influenced by something the Kremlin said .. if it was the Truth ? The Subject is Propaganda Jack .. it seems you have yet to figure out what this term means.

    Kremlin Propaganda Jack --- your claim is a falsehood. It is no lie that Ukraine has an ammo problem 155 mm shells in particular .. been telling you that for months .. This is the Truth .. and this truth is coming from Western Sources .. and maybe the Kremlin is saying it as well .. but either way .. it is not "Propaganda" .. and so once again .. you are wrong .. wrong .. and wrong some more :)
     
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    You are far afield from your claim in #729.
     
  8. Durandal

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    Kind of hard to take that seriously when I never see you actually do that. All I see you do is repeat Kremlin lies and quote a barbaric verse from Deuteronomy in support of its genocide in Ukraine.
     
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    "Critical ammo shortage"


    Is that why Shoigu went to KJ for rusty artillery leftover from Korean War?

    Or maybe a hugfest with Kimmy seeing how badly Pootler has phucked it up?

    Where's this 15-1 ratio?.....what $hithouse wall can you quote for this?

    Something like those "stolen rocket engines" that sent us to the moon....that you epically failed to quote?:)
     
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    200+ more for fertilizer from HIMARs.....and it seems these phuckers never learn.

    https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1686369527741710336?s=20

    I suspect half or more of Mordor Mafiosi have no toilets.

    https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1686068539617067008?s=20
     
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    Same source as the Critical Ammo Shortage Zoomer .. been telling you for months .. the cheer team crying out "Kremlin Propaganda" .. but the Truth can't be propaganda now can it Zoomer - and so for the umpteenth time wrong side..

    Never claimed no stolen rocket engines zoomer .. the phrase was " rocket technology" -- always building strawmen Zoomer..is False accusation and playground antics the extent of your capabilities Zoomer ? come on now .. surly you can do better.
    US and NATO grapple with critical ammo shortage for Ukraine
    Little "Wake Up Call" aye Zoomer .. but not for you... been telling you for months bout the ammo problem .. with the Cheer Team crying "No No No .. Kremlin Propaganda" :)

    Yeeeeooouuuuche Zoomie 2100 a year production .. Ukraine using 500 a Day "RED FLAG" ---

    Yea Zoomie .. I would say that is a wee bit of a Red Flag alright .. no wonder we havn't seen Ukraine doing much equipment destruction.

    Told you Zoomer .. but you didn't listen .. swearing up and down "Kremlin Propaganda" "Pedophile Propaganda" .. with desperate Ad Hom Fallacy mode triggered you tried to demonize the messenger .. rather than consider the merits of the message .. and once again you end up in the "Wrong" pile ..
     
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    What claim ? -- Your the one who needs to back up claim .. Durandal said "Everything" was Kremlin Propaganda .. you don't get to pick and choose what part of "Everything" to examine .. and you have yet to come up with a lie in the first place .. yet to produce any "Propaganda" likely because you don't understand what it is.

    Told the Cheer Team about the Ammo problem months ago .. was part of the leaked papers .. amidst the cries of "Kremlin Propaganda" .. but now .. as has always been the case in our little debates .. you have lost ... and were so Wrong .. So sad , Too Bad.. but it is what it is friend.

    Now go learn ye what propaganda is .. and don't be running around crying "Propaganda' .. lest you can show what the lie is ... this will help you from making so many mistakes .. No Lie .. No Propaganda .. Comprende ? .
     
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    #729 was your post parroting the Kremlin line. Statute of limitations has run out on that propaganda stream. No more replies.
     
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    No Lie .. No Propaganda .. Comprende ? .

    This is not about telling you what the Kremlin said --- but about your false propaganda claim.. which you now say "no more replies" ..which is fine .. and preferrable -- once again you ending up WRONG :)

    You sure got the short end of the stick on the Ammo Shortage out .. once again you falsely cried "Propaganda" but, Wrong again .. demonstrating that you did not know what propaganda is again. .. hopefully you have now solved the puzzle.

    Big trouble ... those untrained teenage lads now running short on Ammo .. being outgunned 10 to 1... horrific casualty ratio.. Thats "The Truth" Jack .. and not the Propaganda you have been peddling unaware that what you were presenting was Propaganda.... while projecting your state onto others .. such as myself and other good natured truth tellers.
     
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    The case is closed. You are swinging after the bell.
     
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    There is unrest in the Russian propaganda space.
    Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, August 2, 2023
    Aug 2, 2023 - Press ISW
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    A dispute among prominent voices in the Russian information space highlights the Kremlin’s sensitivity to Russian reporting about setbacks in Crimea in particular and possibly in Ukraine in general and has further exposed fault lines within the milblogger community. A pro-war milblogger accused other prominent pro-war milbloggers who have been critical of the Russian conduct of the war on August 2 of being “imbeciles” who support “provocative publications” and the “frantic criticism of the [Russian Ministry of Defense]” because the milbloggers posted images reportedly showing the aftermath of recent Ukrainian strikes near Sevastopol and on the Chonhar Bridge, which some sources suggested would irresponsibly spread panic. A notorious Kremlin-backed pro-Russian Ukrainian blogger additionally accused one of the critical milbloggers under attack of stealing crowdsourced collection funds meant for Russian forces. Both these specific critiques drew significant attention from other pro-war Russian commentators, many of whom supported the critical channels being attacked for reporting on the Crimea strikes. One milblogger noted that the crux of the issue lies with the fact that these two channels post pictures of purported Ukrainian strikes on Crimea but emphasized that the original images came from Ukrainian Telegram channels. Another prominent milblogger claimed that the dispute over posting images of strikes in Crimea became so intense that it attracted the attention of the Crimean Federal Security Service (FSB) branch and Crimean occupation head Sergey Aksyonov, likely because these entities are interested in preventing panic in Crimea.
     
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    If the case is closed .. why are you still chasing after my tail begging for enlightenment - "swinging after the ball" ?

    Told you .. - No Lie No Propaganda -- Not understanding this distinction is the source of many of your errors.
     
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    After 10,000 civilian deaths -- at last.
    1. [​IMG]https://www.washingtonpost.com › world › 2023 › 08 › 03 › russia-ukraine-war-news
      Russia-Ukraine war news: Ukrainian pilots to begin F-16 training in ...
      TodayUkraine live briefing: F-16 training to begin this month; nearly 11,000 civilians dead, Kyiv says. By Niha Masih. August 3, 2023 at 2:20 a.m. EDT. F-16 fighter jets are seen at an air base in ...
     
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    Who is the one repeating lies here Durandal ? All you seem to be capable of is personal invective .. often coupled with projecting your failure onto others.

    The Ammo Shortage is not a "Lie" .. you running running around crying "Lie Lie Lie" .. or "Russia Russia Russia" .. is the big falsehood in the space ..

    How does your hatred of the Bible have something to do with your lack of respect for Essential Liberty .. hatred for the constitutional republic.? - I don't get the connection.
     
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    "At Last" ? 11,000 civilians dead is nothing .. Vlad should be hailed a gentle Giant .. taking extreme care not to harm civilians.

    WTF are you talking about ?
     
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    CNN = Fake News?

    CNN, More than 10,000 civilians killed since Russia's invasion, Ukraine's war crimes office says, From CNN's Mariya Knight, 14 hr 23 min ago (8/3/23).
    https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live...s-08-02-23/h_a81e16f92e72fa88c398b3443518e62f
     
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    "ukraine's war crimes office says" :laughing:

    Did the war crimes office also tell CNN about the 14,000 civilians the ukraine government killed between 2014 and 2022? Actual war crimes...by burning to death; by cluster bombs; by standard artillery?

    Suggest contacting Ms Mariya and ask about that info instead of the bunker runt's propaganda. Thx in advance.
     
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    The recent strike on Crimea airbase or whatever installation destroyed numerous jets....and there were significant casualties that the local officials on the ground there are trying to keep under tight wraps....this is just according to my source in the NSU.....not 100% confirmed.
     
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    Who said anything about Fake News .. 10 K Civilians have been killled is not fake news ? even from "Ukraines war crimes office". Even propaganda central is not putting out lies 100% of the time .. as wouldn't be very good propaganda outlets if they did now would they ?

    The "Fakery" is in trying to claim this is a war crime .. just normal stupidity from the western media or the Sin of Omission .. not comparing the rate in any meaningfull way .. like to the civilian casualty rate of the war in Syria or war in Iraq .. Libya .. Yemen ..
     

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