Well, today Spain has had elections, and the polls for now are indicating that the PP(Partido Popular, Popular Party), the conservative party of SPain will have absolute majority. The PSOE has gone down, and the good part is that IU(Izquierda Unida, United Left) has increased his number of diputates to 10, aproximately. Also the parliament will have new parties. But in Spain the cuts will be incredible. The end of the welfare state is really previsible. And the also the cuts in the rights of the workers and also we will have the end of the homosexual marriage. :-S
I don't get it. People seemed to be complaining about the budget cuts and they vote in someone who will likely increase them.
Beats me too,... Not to mention the Partido-Popular guy remained completely vague. The Spanish bought a cat in a sack with this election.
Its going to be very funny when portugal fails and takes spain with it. Then i'll laugh at both of the rightist governments.
Stockholm Syndrome. People like to suffer. The worst is that CiU(Convergència i Unio) the party that is governing in Catalunya and is making the worst cuts there. And privatizing healthcare, have been more voted than in the previous. That is impossible to understand. The same with the PP. The only good thing is that IU and UPyD(Union Progreso y Democracia, Union Progress and Democracy, a right-nationalist party) have more diputates. But they won't be able to do anything. Let's see what is going on from now. But I expect many cuts. And sorry for not posting any link, or source. It was because my sources were in Spanish, and I didn't look for some in English. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/20/spain-election AMAIUR also has got diputates and that is good.
That sh!t ain't funny, Flag!!! Besides, failing economies isn't exactly like anal sex -- so you can keep your smile!
Yeah. Rajoy(PP) didn't say anything. But other members of the party said interesting things like that they would cut the dependency help, the homosexual marriage is in the Constitutional, and is possible that will be abolished... Also they have talken about some laboral reforms... That is possible that they elimante the minimium wage. But that is speculation.
Well I cant do anything portugal is going to fail, I am going down with it. Im tired of spanish elections, they arent talking about anything else on the tv
Socialist policies have nearly killed Spain for decades. It might already too late to do anything about it regardless of who's in power.
No, I don't have. I don't need it, either. I can watch whatever I want in Internet. And mainly because now I am living far from my home country. And I have the minimium things: Internet.
Socialist??? JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJ. I am laughing on the floor. I can't stand this joke. Hahaha. What a joke more good. I don't remember governing any Socialist party in Spain. And if you mean the socioliberal PSOE, that party is not socialist. The socialism in Spain is in IU(United Left, Izquierda Unida) and they didn't have almost representation that now they have had recovered having 10-11 diputates. And 1996-2004 governed the PP, conservative party, and the things started to go well, for the ones of forever. But not for the people. No, the right, in progressist form or conservative form have governed from 1978 in democracy, and from 1939 if we include the fascist Franco. Sorry, but the last time that in Spain governed something close to the socialism was during the II Spanish Republic(1931-1936+Civil War 1936-1939). And during the Republic Spain had the most advanced Constitution of the World at that time. Being one of the first countries granting the right to vote to the women,...
Ok. Now official data with the 96% scruted. Party - Number of diputates PP: 186(aboslute majority) Same number of votes than 2008 Conservative PSOE: 110(Worst results of history) Have lost 5 million of votes SocioLiberal CiU: 16 Catalonian Conservative Nationalists IU: 11 Leftist party AMAIUR: 7 Nationalist Leftist Party of Euskadi(Basque's Country) UPyD: 5 Nationalist Spanish Party PNV: 5 Nationalist Party of Euskadi - Liberals-conservative ERC: 3 Catalonian Leftist National Party BNG: 2 Galician Nationalist Leftist Party And that are the main parties.
But the huge growth in the size of government and entitlement spending is the reason for the problems. Call it what you want, but when the government gets too large you've got the State calling the shots.
People sometimes is stupid. And no. In Spain the welfare is supporteb by the majority. And when I say majority, I mean more than 70% of the population. People voted the alternative, and some people voted thinking, if the supposed leftist party is applying neoliberal policies, or rightist policies, then I directly vote the right, that surely will apply that policies better. And also Spain has an injust electoral system, where some parties are underrepresented. If the electoral system would have been just, it would be the configuration: - PP: 160 (-26) - PSOE: 103 (-7) - IU: 25(+14) - UPyD: 17 (+12) - CiU: 15 (-1) - AMAIUR: 5 (-1) - Other: 35 (+20) So people, didn't vote so much that change. And mainly because in these elections PSOE lost about 5 million of votes, and PP had exactly the same votes than in the last elections(2008 ). These elections don't represent me, as many other people. And I think that this government will be the less stable of the history, even with his absolute majority, being able to do whatever they want. The movilizations in the streets will be big. Source: http://noticias.lainformacion.com/p...tos-valieran-lo-mismo_6mFClXJKXTTa2JZve5QLo1/
"As long as most laws come from Brussels, and as long as economic policy comes from Frankfurt, it really doesn't matter how you vote". "Only three per cent of EU citizens now have Left-wing governments" - Daniel Hannan, one of the few British eurosceptic MEPs." Link Does anyone feel their elections make much difference these days? Hannan's statistic might be true, but we still have statist, high tax policies in this country nevertheless.
Those on the left are totally disconnected from the people, consider the people to be stupid and unwilling to listen to their betters, and are in shock when something like this happens. I wish Spain all the luck in the world. It will be hard but we're all facing the same thing sooner or later and to some degree thanks to the leftists.
Spain rejects false socialism. Not rejects socialism. Spain is a country with many people of lefts. And mainly the new generations, the most informed. But people is tired of PSOE. A party that call themselves socialists but apply policies of the right. So for that people rejected that party. And as I said, the people left to vote the PSOE, and small ammount of people that previously voted PSOE voted PP. But PP had the same number of votes than 2008. It means that the social base of the PP is the same. That PSOE went down. And as people can see in my summary of the number of diputates, the left is really numerous, and in number of votes is superior to the right.
You clearly haven't a clue as to what is actually going on in Spain, or what the Spanish people actually desire. The Spanish people overwhelmingly support the welfare state. O-ver-whel-ming-ly. I lived in Spain; I know how much they cherish their government subsidies there. What has everyone so stumped is why such ardent supporters of social democracy would vote for a right-wing party. Everyone in Spain is up in arms over austerity, yet those same people vote for a party likely to introduce even more cuts and liberalism. It makes no sense. I suspect that, as kilgram indicated, the Spanish electorate is very poorly informed and thinks that if it votes against the current government in favor of the party opposite -- in this case the "Popular Party" -- that necessarily the austerity will be put on hold. Most probably, this myth has been perpetuated by the chronic ambiguity of the PP leaders as regards, well, any substantial policy issues. The whole thing is really rather farcical, and would be humorous if it weren't so pathetic.
Perhaps people realize a wellfare state has gotten to big, it cannot survive, not in Spain, France or Holland. It is being kept afloat on borrowed money.
