Elizabeth Warren should be disbarred for claiming 'American Indian' race on official document, Chene

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  1. btthegreat

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    They will look at motive. They will not disbar unless she was actually unduly enriched and knowingly profited from a fraud. There was no fraudulent intent because she believed it, and I have seen no proof of enrichment.

    They will look for a slap on the wrist. .
     
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    Didn't a DNA test show that Warren does have some American Indian ancestry?
     
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    It ain't tabloid nonsense bro.

    Democrats REALLY support race based quotas.

    Democrats REALLY believe blacks have lower expectations.

    She's not that smart if she publicly supports race based quotas AND ignores the laws she passed.

    WE CAN SEE YOU bro.
     
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    Yes, she has some American native DNA, and, yes, she believed it.

    No, she should not be disbarred.
     
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    By not being a lair. Like most lawyers.
     
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    Yeah, you really don't have an argument against any of the things that Elizabeth Warren is for, or has achieved.

    And the people who control the media you get your "news" from doesn't want your mind polluted with things that might be good for you at their expense.

    So they wave the bloody shirt and get you all braying about Fauxcahontas. That's 100% of what the right wing audience knows about Elizabeth Warren.

    It really is sad to see how easily conned the old reactionary right is.

    One would think that they might start beginning to wise up after falling for cons like Ben Carson ,Sarah Palin and Donald Trump.

    But the gimmicicky tabloid audience just goes back for more. After all, to the average Trumpster, gimmicks, slogans and labels are the substutues for knowing things.
     
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    Warren doesn't have much in the way of achievements. Her only real claim to fame is the CFBP. Probably DC's least accountable unconstitutionally structured bureau. She's a radical. She supports taking from the rich and also supports the idiotic green deal. She's a partisan liar and a phony.
     
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    You could not name a single law "she has passed". All you have is your label.
     
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    I doubt that you could tell us a single thing about the CFPB. You made broad assertions, but you make no attempt to back them up.

    Of course, where the CFPB acting in an unconstitutional way, the righties would have gotten their conservative Supreme Court to stop it. But that did not happen. So, this is another right wing talk radio meme.

    After all, perish the thought that you sould benefit from a federal agency that stops predatory lending practices. You don't need that benefit. That can't be good for Wall Street, so they want you to oppose it.

    So, you are handed a label to pin on its leading advocate and a set of talking points to repeat. And just to make sure you get the message, right wing media repeats it several times every day, and NEVER talks about what Warren or the CFPB have actually done.
     
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    Why don't you tell us all about Warren and her Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Tom. You know all about it right?
    While you're at it tell us why Warren Supports open boarders and the green new deal.
     
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    (1) No one supports open borders: only liars say Warren and others support such a dingbat comment.

    (2) The CFPB is constitutional.
     
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    The judge will be overruled as you well know, Mrlucky. Tomfitz is tomfitz, and I am me, and both of us have no trouble defending the constitutionality of the Bureau.
     
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    Warren has gone off the reservation.
     
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    It could go to the supreme court but that would be the only way. I'm not sure what the Solicitor General's position is, do you?
     
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    Trump's people change with the wind. I have no idea personally what the SG is thinking at the moment. But since Warren is associated with the Bureau's history and Trump is terrified of a Warren candidacy, I imagine the SG's opinion is not favorable to the future of the Bureau. This SCOTUS holds with precedent generally, and I would be surprised if it did not in this case. Roberts defers to Congressional authority whenever possible: consider ACA and same sex marriage.
     
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    Trumps not afraid of Warren. She's easy to read. He knows though that with the big Dodd-Frank rollback which the CFPB is a big part of, and Warren's brain child, she's not too happy with him. The rollback was actually bipartisan.

    I Would say your guess is probably correct about the SG so it may never make to the Supreme Court without him and until then, it remains Unconstitutional.
     
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    Warren does not support "open borders" which is another dishonest right wing talk radio slogan.

    The CFPB reigned in payday lenders (until Trump made the coast clear for them again). Rush Limbaugh didn't tell you that.


    The CFPB is responsible for curbing the worst excesses of the mortgage lending business, which was rampant with mismanagement and more than a little corruption. Because of Warren's agency, banks like Wells Fargo have been forced to clean up their acts and pay huge fines. But Rush Limbaugh didn't tell you that.

    Student lending was another CFPB target, and the Trump crowd is working hard to make it safe again for those predators as well. But Rush Limbaugh didn't tell you that either.

    Finally, aside from the CFPB, Warren championed legislation that changed the definition of "hearing aid", making it possible for companies to sell hearing amplifiers. Thanks to that change, I will be replacing the $4000 hearing aids that I was never satisfied with with a pair of amplifiers which incorporate all of the same features AND can be controlled by an app on my phone for $600, made by the company that made my noise cancelling sound bar (which I am very satisfied with).
     
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    No, Trump isn't afraid of Warren. (He's deathly afraid of Joe Biden, Vladimir Putin and Robert Mueller).

    He's ranting about socialism now because Warren, Ocasio Cortez and Saunders are making it easy for him to fearmonger to his base by yelling "socialism" (what they hear is "red", and Trump knows it).

    Trump is trying to change the subject.

    He lost his wall battle and will be capitulating by the end of the week.

    So, he's powering up a new shiny object for his base to rant about,

    And it seems to be working so far. Trump says "socialism" and all the little Trumpsters stop bleating about the wall! (just in time for them not to notice that Trump lost the battle).
     
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    I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh and never have. I know you must hear voices. Only you know what they are telling you. I can only guess.

    Warren is too slick to say she is for open boarders. Not many democrats will admit that that's what they want. Warren supports abolishing ICE but won't admit to that either. Instead she mumbles about "something that reflects our morality and that works."

    CFPB might have had merit but the Democrat only club was just a little to heavy handed.

    The Dodd-Frank Act made the CFPB’s unelected director “the single most powerful official in the entire U.S. Government, other than the President,” and arguably more powerful in consumer financial-protection matters. The Constitution permits single-director executive agencies and independent commissions, but not single-director independent agencies. The most important words in the opinion were buried in footnote twelve: “An agency structure must be adjudged on the basis of what it permits to happen.”

    By demonstrating the inevitable consequences of absolute power, Cordray had invited the appellate court to revoke it.

    "Judge Kavanaugh’s remedy was simple: He struck 18 words from the Dodd-Frank Act and announced, “The President of the United States now has the power to supervise and direct the Director of the CFPB, and may remove the Director at will at any time.” If the ruling were upheld, Warren’s agency would lose its independence. Democrats shrugged; they would undo the decision after winning the election, just 28 days away."

    But as we know that hasn't happened. Try again in 2020.

    She does get credit for her OTC hearing aids. If they work for you great. I have tried some cheap amplifiers for hunting. They buzzed like crazy.

    My insurance covered hearing aids 100%. I'm happy with the prescription I got from a qualified doctor. They were not cheap. Mine were over $5,000 for custom molded in the ear type.

    If prices can come down on hearing aids and drug prescriptions, I'm for it. They are way too expensive for most.
     
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    Well, someone is feeding you that "open borders" garbage. It's made up garbage being peddled all over the right wing noise machine. It has no basis in fact. While you may not listen to Limbaugh, you posts do place you firmly inside that right wing alternative reality.

    I would imagine that Democrats will undo Kavanaugh's ruling when they get the chance. Of course, Kavanaugh, like his new protégé John Roberts, has always taken the side of the rich and powerful over the rights of individuals.

    And the right wing animus towards the CFPB predated it existance. The bankers DID NOT WANT their consumer practices being scrutinized. That was the original sin of the CFPB.

    It is Kavanaugh that did this, making it possible for Trump to revive the payday loan and student loan rackets and make sure that the Wells Fargos and BoA's are safe from regulatory predators. Of course, this was before he auditioned for the Supreme Court by floating the idea that he might be Trump's get out of jail free card if the investigators got too close.

    Roberts also made unlimited secret campaign contributions possible, putting a price tag on "free speech".

    And he overturned the working center of the Voting Rights act, just in time for ALEC to roll out a whole new set of model legislation designed to make it harder to vote, promote disenfranchaising voters, and openly discriminate against certain voters. All across the old Jim Crow South and across red states, voter suppression legislation was passed, and often enacted. Much of it has been overturned.
     
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    Only fools believe any American is for open boarders.

    That is outright garbage.
     
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    You have to keep it really really simple for the Trumpsters.

    If you can't give it a label (Faucahantas, Little Marco, fake news) or a fake meme (Open borders) or a meaningless slogan (build the wall, drain the swamp) just make up a new label or try and change the subject that the audience will find entertaining (or be outraged by, which is the same thing). Just make it about Hillary! And. if that doesn't work, make it about Obama!
     
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    "Elizabeth Warren should be disbarred for claiming 'American Indian' race on official document, Chene"

    she is part native American, just because Tribes do not take DNA evidence to split casino earnings does not make her any less native American
     
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    it's not lying if your dna shows you have some of that ancestory, if you look white and you shows 10% black on your dna test, put it down if it will help you get grant money, ect.... you deserve that because of your ancestors
     
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