Emerging AI Will Crush Renewable Energy

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Nuclear power plants have the potential be our 'salvation', I suppose -- but they should never be built anywhere even remotely near earthquake faults! Surely Fukushima taught us at least that much.... :lonely:
     
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    The earthquake itself caused no damage. The resultant tsunami (which spread over thousands of square miles) flooded the back up diesel generators which shutdown the emergency core cooling systems causing the partial core melting. Additionally a gravity fed emergency core cooling system retrofit was not installed on any of the Fukushima reactors.
     
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    The earthquake was not the problem; Japan is very experienced at earthquake-resistant construction. The Fukushima power plant's design all but ignored the possibility of a tsunami in an area known to be among the most susceptible to tsunamis in the world. It would have been a trivial matter to put the backup diesel generators up out of reach of tsunami waters, or even to build the plant itself at a high enough elevation that tsunamis would not be an issue. It was a failure waiting to happen, like Chernobyl.
     
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    You're right in saying the tsunami is what wrecked the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. But as I inferred, it was the ML9.0 earthquake that caused the tsunami.

    In recorded history, only three earthquakes have registered greater magnitude levels: the 1960 quake on the coast of Chile (ML 9.5), the "Good Friday" quake on the coast of Alaska (1964, ML 9.2), and the 2004 quake off the coast of Sumatra/Andaman Islands at ML 9.1.

    Given the frequency with which all of Japan experiences 'largish' earthquakes (>~ML 7.0), it would better if no nuclear power plants were ever built on those islands.
     
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    By your logic Japan should be evacuated.
     
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    Not really. But back to the point about tsunamis, it's interesting that the famous American "Sleeping Prophet" clairvoyant, Edgar Cayce, predicted the following in his "Reading 3651-1".

    There will be a shifting of the poles. ... The greater portion of Japan must go into the sea.” But... he didn't ever get around to saying when this would happen, except that it would be part of 'earth changes' that would commence around 1998 (he died in 1945). Cayce actually had a very good reputation for accuracy... so.... :cynic:

    There are presently nine nuclear reactors operating in Japan, so, if it really does "go into the sea" it's gonna be a helluva bad day for Pacific Ocean seafood lovers (like I used to be before Fukushima).... :hiding:
     
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    What has happened to sea food as a result of Fukushima?

    If all nuclear reactors disappear under the sea that will be the least of Japan’s problems.
     
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    Oh, please.
     
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    Until Fukushima, Japan's nuclear reactors had an excellent safety record despite numerous major earthquakes.

    There is no way to create a safe technology but by exploring failure modes. Do you know how many airplanes had to crash to make modern air travel as safe as it is?
     
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    I can only speak for myself, although there's still a raging debate about how much radioactive contamination Fukushima put in the Pacific in 2011, and how much Japan continues to put in it now. What happened to seafood? I don't eat anything that comes out of the Pacific Ocean anymore. The stuff that comes out of 'fish farms' in the North Atlantic and Mediterranean isn't really as good, but it's all I'll touch anymore....
     
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    Oh, hell, I was just trying to introduce a little 'tongue-in-cheek' perspective. I don't know of any of these 'psychics', prophets, mystics, or other 'sooth-sayers' who have good track records when it comes to predicting the future.

    But, a little common sense will tell you that with its history of earthquakes, tsunamis, and volcanic activity, the Japanese islands are not (NOT) a place that anyone should ever place a nuclear power plant!
     
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    What level of contamination is being claimed in this debate??
     
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    there is talk of a new processor that could be more energy efficient via a probabilistic cpu that would be used in addition to the current cpu, interesting...

    it's sort of in between classical and quantum computers

     
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    :lol: Are you serious? Do you have even the slightest comprehension of how much natural radioactive material there is in the Pacific Ocean?
     
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    No, a little common sense tells me that the way to develop a safe technology is to learn from failures, and that if we didn't build any sensitive infrastructure in earthquake zones, a lot of the world's most prosperous and populated regions, including Japan, would be poor and unpopulated.
     
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    "Safe technology"? I'm all for it... perhaps someday we'll finally put enough money and effort into hydrogen fusion reactors and their energy production capabilities, and then be able to get rid of today's nuclear power plants altogether.

    In the meantime, you and your buddy, AFM, are welcome to all the Pacific Ocean seafood you can hold. I really do miss it -- a LOT. If you've ever known someone who almost died from lymphoma in a submandibular salivary gland, you may be less inclined to dismiss anyone's concerns about how lethal and sudden some cancers can be.
     
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    Every bite of food you consume contains radioactive material.
     
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    Don't let it concern you. No matter what the "level of contamination" is (measured and reported, of course, by 'the authorities'), you'd probably just ridicule it as being in any way harmful to the human body.... Be happy! If I'm not gorging myself on Alaskan King Salmon (like I used to do), there'll be more for you! :woot:

    Hey, it's OK... I still have salmon from Norway!
     
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    Humans evolved in an environment containing radioactive active material. Humans are not negatively affected by radiation until a threshold level is exceeded. In fact low levels of radiation are beneficial to the human body.

    Salmon from the North Sea are just as radioactive as fish from the Sea of Japan.
     
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    Have it your way, and I'll have it mine. In any event, I wish you good health....
     

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