EMT's convicted in Elijah McClain's death.

Sadly only one of the police officers who was involved has been convicted of anything. Someone was bothered by the fact that he was wearing a ski mask and dancing which meant multiple cops had to attack him and half-assed doctors had to sedate him for not being okay with said attack.

And spare me the "he should have just complied" nonsense. He broke zero laws.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/22/us/elijah-mcclain-paramedics-trial-verdict/index.html



Two paramedics were found guilty of criminally negligent homicide Friday in the death of Elijah McClain, a 23-year-old Black man who was subdued by police and injected with ketamine in Aurora, Colorado, in August 2019.

Jeremy Cooper and Peter Cichuniec had pleaded not guilty to the felony charges.

Cichuniec was also found guilty of a second-degree unlawful administration of drugs assault charge, and not guilty of second-degree assault resulting in bodily injury. He was immediately taken into custody. Cooper was acquitted on those charges.

Prosecutors had argued the paramedics acted recklessly in administering a large amount of the powerful sedative ketamine to McClain, who had been violently subdued by police, despite not speaking with him or checking his vital signs.

An amended autopsy report released in 2022 listed McClain’s cause of death as “complications of ketamine administration following forcible restraint.”

However, the paramedics testified during their trial they were following their training for treating patients experiencing “excited delirium,” a controversial diagnosis describing extreme agitation generally applied to people being subdued by police.

“During our training, we were told numerous times that this is a safe, effective drug,” Cichuniec told the court. “That is the only drug we can carry that can stop what is going on and calm him down so we can control his airway, we can control him and the safety of him, get him to the hospital as quick as we can.”

The use of ketamine by emergency responders to tranquilize people against their will has raised controversy and triggered investigations in multiple states.

 

They can do any jail time standing on their head.
Slap on the wrist:
The consequences of a class 5 felony could be 12 to 36 months in jail and/or a fine that can range from $1,000 to $100,000.

 

It sounds like they overreacted but if you are wearing a ski mask in public you are asking for some sort of reaction.

I'm sitting here in the store by myself at 3:12 a.m. and occasionally some jackass will come in with a ski mask on. If you were in my shoes do you think that that would be a smart thing for someone to do?

 

Is it against the law? I don't care about anecdotes. What would your reaction be if six cops in Minnesota attacked someone simply for having a rifle slung on their back because it bothered someone enough to call the police?

Spare me the second amendment nonsense. Open carrying is just as legal as wearing a ski mask.

 

I'm just saying it's retarded and if you want a reaction you're probably going to find one.

Oddly enough every single one I've seen come in the store doing that is black for some reason.

If you think it's so normal walk into a bank or a jewelry store or a gun store or pawn shop with one on and see what sort of reaction you get.

Nice straw man though, I'll certainly spare you something I never said.

 

I attributed zero quotes to you.

Is wearing a ski mask justification for cops attacking someone? He had long since left the convenience store, where he paid for everything he had, and was walking home. It's a very simple yes or no question.

 

You're the one that bought the second amendment into the argument told me to spare you for something that I never even brought up.

I'm not saying the situation was handled correctly I'm just saying that if you go out and do stupid things looking for attention and a reaction you're probably going to find them.

Wearing a ski mask in public is a stupid thing to do. I don't really care if it's legal or not, it's still stupid.

Lots of things are legal but still stupid nonetheless

 

Can cops assault a person for doing something that's legal, even if it's stupid in FatBack's opinion? Should they be able to? You're dancing around this when a yes or no will do.

 

The law doesn't matter. I don't think I'm getting that point across.

It's illegal for someone to run me over with a car for no reason but if someone decides they're going to do that the law does not prevent the incident from happening.

What he was doing was legal but he's still dead nonetheless. It being legal does not magically bring him back to life.

And yes you can look up countless videos on YouTube of people who are legally openly carrying and they are still being harassed by the police.

Were the police right, were paramedics right? Evidently not as a jury has decided.

I'm just saying it's a really stupid thing to do wearing a ski mask in public.

 

From the time officers arrived on scene to the time they decided to wrestle him to the ground, what happened?

 

He should have complied and not resisted and that is not nonsense. When will the black community give up this "I don't have to comply with the lawful orders of the police" NONSENSE? 15 minutes into it and he is STILL fighting them. The officers comment on how HARD he has been fighting them and one asked to be relieved as he was getting winded. Had he simply stopped taken off his mask answer a couple of questions he would slept in his bed that night and his life continued.

 

How could they determine if he was acting legally that night, they have a right to stop you when you are acting under suspicious circumstances as so CITIZENS had reported and to which the police were called to the scene. You seem to be trying to paint it as if they just randomly stopped him.

 

I can see why they were convicted. The EMTs estimated the person weighed 200 pounds but in fact weighed far less. They gave the person ketamine based on a questionable diagnosis. That is why they were convicted, not for anything else.

The conviction tells EMTs, not to mention physicians, in this state to be damn sure of their diagnosis and that unlimited immunity is not going to help you. Their EMT certifications should be revoked and not be allowed in the medical field again.

 

cops can’t stop you to simply see if you’re not breaking the law. There has to be a reason, and wearing a ski mask isn’t reason enough. It’s the reason one cop and two net’s were convicted.

I just watched the video. It wasn’t six seconds between the time the cop exited the car and when he put his hands on Elijah.

I love that police officers are being held accountable for their actions more frequently now. It’s the reason cops try to actively prevent civilians from recording them.

 

I can't see how this went to trial if it is protocol in the city to use this drug. The EMT;s didn;t buy the drug or assign a place on there truck to store it. I'll wait and see if there union will let them go to prison or it is already up for appeal.

 

The radio call was reasonable suspicion and if you do object take it up with the judge.

Because he refused a lawful order and police can touch you.

Are you going to love it when there are no cops?

 

A 911 call isn’t reasonable suspicion by itself. I listened to the recording. No crime was actually reported.

mid that’s true, then why is the first cop who assaulted Elijah now a conflicted felon?

Why would there be no cops? Society is beginning to hold cops accountable for their actions. Explain to me how that’s a bad thing.

there was absolutely no reason for this cop to gently ask this kid what was going on and let him go about his business.

 

From my news this morning

"“The clerks were able to provide a description; he was wearing a green hoodie, blue running-type pants, and what they described as a homemade black mask with the eye holes cut out,” says Ardis."

Reasonable suspicion.....this stupid kid brought it on himself and then challenged and fought with then police. Why the convictions? To avoid a riot.

 

Black man's dead. You're all guilty.

 

At some point it's going to dawn on the police, paramedics, and everybody else that if a Black is suspected of being involved in anything, just ignore it, turn around, and pretend that you saw and heard nothing. Doing otherwise can easily destroy your life!

. "Get somebody else -- our whole station just caught the flu!"

 

So a guy goes crazy in public, and creates a half dozen victims? The cops should have gone "old school" and just put hand and leg manuals on him and stuffed him in the back seat and took him to jail and put him an a rubber room.
Kubli Khan: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".

 

And it's too damned bad that poor, old Derek Chauvin didn't follow your excellent advice, too! If he'd have simply taken the easy way out and stuffed Saint George Floyd's ass in the patrol car and waited for the paramedics to finally get there where St. George was flopping around in the gutter, he'd still be a police office with a LIFE! Now he's "damned and excommunicated" and thrown into the 'outer darkness' of prison, where he's already been stabbed nearly to death by a real criminal.

Afterthought: why should any police officer, paramedic, or anyone else risk getting their lives destroyed trying to protect the public when that same public shows clearly that it doesn't give a damn about THEM...?

 

Serious question here....
Why is it only black people that go around in public wearing ski mask?

Like I already stated people come in the store like this sometime and every single one of them to a person has been black.

I understand it's not illegal but it's absolutely stupid.

Who says to their self let's go in the gas station at 2:00 a.m. with a ski mask on? WTF ?

One young man came in that way and bought tobacco and I id'd him and he hands me his ID and stands there and I made him take the stupid mask off. How in the hell is someone supposed to confirm your ID with a ski mask on?

What the hell is the point? Do they think they're intimidating someone? Do they get jolly's by it?

If it happens again I'm going to tell them to either leave the store or take the mask off.

If they don't want to do it they can get trespassed from the store, it's up to them.

Fun fact is you don't have to have a reason to trespass someone from a store.... It can be because your breath stinks

 

Nope. The smart thing for you to do would be to keep close to your firearm and hit the alarm button. The only people I've ever seen entering a store with a ski mask down were committing crimes.

 

The smart thing to do when approached in the middle of the night by someone like that is to simply welcome them in, open the cash register, and announce that you're going to need to go to the bathroom for about half an hour, but that they're free to take anything and everything they want and simply stop back by and "pay for it later"....

That way, you won't get killed, you won't get charged with crime(s), you won't be sued for 'discrimination', and the upper-level management in the store will probably give you a reward 'under the table' for using good judgement!