Eric Trump reveals HE told Donald FBI raided Mar-a-Lago: Ex-President's son claims agents 'ransacked

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  1. Izzy

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    Check this out.
    Lots of new info on Trump, John Solomon and Mark Meadows and classified docs as Trump was leaving the White House and the aftermath.

    'After he left office, Trump ordered his chief of staff to leak classified information to the press'

    https://murraywaas.substack.com/p/exclusive-after-he-left-office-donald


    "Months after he had left office, former president Donald Trump, directed his former chief-of-staff, Mark Meadows to leak highly classified government records regarding Peter Strzok, the former Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division, to the press. In the final days of Trump’s presidency, Meadows had removed the classified files from the White House, which Trump and Meadows believed would discredit Strzok.

    The explosive ramifications of such a knowing and willful leak of classified information by Trump, or by someone on his behalf, at his direction, after he left office, is that Trump would have potentially committed a felony.

    As president, Trump enjoyed a virtually absolute and unfettered constitutional authority to declassify virtually almost any government secrets he so wished. But once gone from office, Trump no longer had any legal authority or power beyond that of an ordinary citizen to declassify government papers or; much less leak classified records. Any provision of classified information at that time would be a crime.

    Brad Moss, an attorney specializing in national security law, explained to me: “Anything Trump had in his possession that was still classified and that he gave to a reporter or anyone else unauthorized to receive it, after 12:01 pm on January 21, 2021, was unlawful as a legal matter.”

    *snip*
     
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  2. Izzy

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    This is Trump's stolen classified documents case.


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    NEWS — Judge Beryl Howell says in a new order that Justice Department prosecutors have met the threshold for the crime-fraud exception for Trump attorney Evan Corcoran, ordering additional testimony from him, a person familiar with the matter tells me.


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    Izzy Well-Known Member

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    "A Trump spokesperson" ?
    Makes total sense that the Trump lawyer who made these ignorant and ridiculous claims wants to remain anonymous.
    It does sound like either Habba or Bobbs, desperate stupidity looks the same.



    The DOJ believes they have Trump & Corcoran in cahoots to commit fraud.

    'Trump attorney ordered to testify before grand jury investigating former president'

    "District Judge Beryl Howell said in an order under seal that Justice Department prosecutors have met the threshold for the crime-fraud exception for Corcoran, the source said.

    The scope of what DOJ will be allowed to ask, however, was not immediately clear. Trump’s team is expected to appeal and ask for the judge’s order to be stayed while legal proceedings play out."

    snip:

    "A Trump spokesperson said the ruling is a “violation of due process.”

    “Whenever prosecutors target the attorneys, that’s usually a good indication their underlying case is very weak. If they had a real case, they wouldn’t need to play corrupt games with the Constitution. Every American has the right to consult with counsel and have candid discussions – this promotes adherence to the law,” the spokesperson said."

    cont:

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/17/politics/evan-corcoran-testimony-trump-lawyer
     
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    Izzy Well-Known Member

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    I hadn't read/heard anything about these other Trumpers who got subpoenas.

    Please let Kash Patel & John Solomon be 2 of the 7.
    Please! lol

    'Eight search warrants issued in Trump classified documents case, new filings show'

    'Prosecutors argued that seven additional warrants should be kept secret.'

    snip:

    'Prosecutors filed a motion in June with the federal court overseeing the case, requesting permission to disclose the warrants and accompanying documents to the legal teams representing Trump and his aide Walt Nauta as part of disclosure requirements now that both men have been charged.

    In that motion, which was unsealed on Tuesday, prosecutors said they have not disclosed the contents or locations or devices sought by those search warrants publicly and they asked the court to keep the details of those warrants under wraps.

    The existence of one of those warrants was already known because it was executed on Trump's estate last year and he announced that it happened on his social media website. The indictment in the case also made clear that prosecutors had obtained other information — including photos and messages off of cellphones — but the prosecution did not indicate who it had obtained that information, whether voluntarily or through warrants.'



    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...classified-documents-case-new-filin-rcna96228
     
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    Did the FBI ever find all the documents that Trump had flown from MaL to his New Jersey country club?


    'Exclusive: ‘Trump Employee 5,’ who unknowingly helped move classified documents, speaks out'

    'A longtime Mar-a-Lago employee who is a central witness in the investigation into former President Donald Trump’s handling of classified documents is now speaking publicly because he believes that voters should hear the truth about his former boss and the case before the November election.

    Brian Butler, who is referenced as “Trump Employee 5” in the classified documents indictment brought by special counsel Jack Smith, told CNN in an exclusive interview that he doesn’t believe the criminal case against Trump is a “witch hunt,” as the former president has claimed.'


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    https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/politics/trump-employee-5-classified-documents-mar-a-lago/index.html
     
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    Does employee #5 have any rationale to back up his assertion? Is he well versed on the legalities of presidents, former presidents and classified material or presidential papers? Or does he simply make a good sounding witness that goes along with the DOJ agenda?
     
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    Explain how your continued erroneous belief that the magical Trump "declassified" documents is relevant to anything.
     
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    You mean , Does employee #5 have anything to back up his opinion that the case against Trump isn't a "witch hunt" ?
    I don't know.
    Let's get him on the witness stand and have him relate what he actually did in furtherance of what has been charged.
     
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    It certainly would be relevant if he were accused of absconding with classified documents.
     
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    And he has been. And the defense has not offered up any evidence that the documents in question were "declassified". Hence the case is proceeding.
     
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    He borrowed Harry Potter’s magic wand, waved it around and uttered “declassifyo documentus!”and all classified documents were magically declassified!
     
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    Ahh, yes.
    Those damning text messages.


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    17 hours ago — Because of his close-knit friendships, Butler has years of text messages and photos on his cell phone. His time as a chauffeur to countless ...






    'The boxes were going out as the FBI was coming in'

    'Butler described how in June 2022 he helped Walt Nauta, Trump’s body man and another co-defendant in the case, move boxes from Mar-a-Lago to the airport as Trump prepared to depart for his resort in New Jersey for the summer.

    That was happening at the same time, Butler says, that federal investigators were visiting Trump to discuss returning the classified material in the former president’s possession.

    “I come to realize now at the same time he’s going in there, the boxes are going from somewhere into a vehicle, which are eventually going to the plane, which I load with Walt,” Butler said, noting that he had no idea at the time what was in the boxes.

    Butler says he saw Trump as he was going in to meet his attorney, Evan Corcoran, and a group of people he would later realize were FBI agents.


    “I was on the cloister outside over by the bar, and the former president was walking towards the living room, like he was gonna enter the living room,” Butler said. “He was with Secret Service. I remember he said hi to me. ‘Hi, Brian.’ ‘Hi Mr. Trump,’ or ‘President Trump.’ And then he went in and talked to them, but I had no clue who those people were.”

    ‘We’re all dirty. We all moved boxes.’






    https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/poli...erview-trump-employee-5-mar-a-lago/index.html
     
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    The level of criminality is astounding. Yet we have to listen to the idiots in the House pretend that Trump's behavior is the same as Biden's cooperative behavior in a magical realm in an alternative universe
     
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    One cannot offer defense evidence of things obtained in an armed raid until trial. Trump has at least to wait until the DOJ "clean team" decides which of the boxes of seized evidence can even be presented to a court. At that time the DOJ has (is supposed to but time will tell) to turn over its evidence to the defense. On the other hand, if the DOJ had enforced a subpoena, as is normally the case, there would have been a hearing on which documents could have been taken and which ones not. But, for their own cunning reason, DOJ decided to go the raid route and not the subpoena route in this instance.
     
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    Then let’s proceed to trial immediately .
     
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    Can't go to trial until the supreme court rules. Actually a case like this that followed normal jurisprudence and due process would take a year or two to commence. But, the DOJ wanted desperately for the trial to start before the 2024 election; otherwise they would not meet their objective.
     
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    Right, their objective being due process.
     
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    LOL! That's a good one!

    You're on fire today!
     
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    Pure baloney! DOJ wanted to get Trump on trial before the election to hurt his election chances pure and simple, their rhetoric not withstanding. In fact the entire process from raid to indictment had that objective.
     
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    I agree that he needs to stand trial before the election. No one is above the law and if he were to win the election , you do agree that he needs to stand trial before he takes office, right ?
     
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    I se no rationale to hurry up a trial just because the DOJ, against their stated and written policy, wants to interfere in a presidential election.
     
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    Proceeding to trial in a case well under way isn't a violation of policy.
     
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    You're playing semantics. It is well known and readily admitted to by DOJ that it is against their regulations, procedures, and standards of conduct. Sounds pretty close to policy to me, but ............ maybe not.
     
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    It wasn't a "raid", and we don't know that they were armed. If there were armed, these are FBI agents, not meter maids.

    They earlier DID use a subpoena. But Trump largely ignored that. You forgot his obstruction of justice?

    https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/fbi-search-trump-s-home-mar-lago-isn-t-raid-n1297805

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...fbi-search-of-donald-trumps-mar-a-lago-estate
     
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    I'm using words. I have to use words to communicate thoughts. Commencing an investigation is against policy. Trying a long existing criminal case is not. These are not the same things.
     

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