EU blocks illegal Zionist interests in West Bank and Golan

i will let the mods ask. I know that they can read (or they wouldnt be mods)

I can state, that it is MY idea to combine the 2 concepts. I have no problem with that, as gross as it is.

I know exactly what I said, and why.

Does it bother you?

Dont you agree that the nasty cancer of lies and liars, should be destroyed, no matter which who they claim to be?

ie..... that included me! If I am being selfish, and misleading, please 'shoot me'. I expect to be judged, IF I use knowledge to cause a loss to the common.

Destroying cancer aint the bad. Defending the lie, the liars and a blatant disregard for truth by the selfish, is a waste of life to any and all, no matter which god you want to hold.

i am just that honest about what is true.


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You should really examine a definition of ' nation ' , otherwise you'll continue to stumble on, gushing this dogmatic prattle.

Well, the rules exist to keep the forum respectful and your sectarian insults won't be tolerated.

 

Even codswallop such as this is archived and remains available on the Internet indefinitely- no doubt to the excruciating embarrassment of its authors.

 

yet another feeble attempt at wit that is archived and will remain available on the internet indefinitely, no doubt to the excurciating embarassment of its author.

I have found that one can always change one's opinion, but rarely without the benefit of some phramacuetical or other can one change ones intellectual capacity and quickness of mind.

Do you share this observation as well?

 

Really. Tell us what it's capital, currency, leaders, borders, type of government and what it's provinces were please.

Nope. The guy who ordered the dropping of atomic weapons on military assets of the Imperial Japanese in order to end a war and save lives.

Shall the world use his methodology of chemotherapy on israel?[/QUOTE]

 

Ruling over the masses with a theocratic dictatorship during sanctions is a bit easier and should not be compared to a democracy.

The US may not like it but they would be compelled to up their prices to compensate for competitors. That of course would come with unofficial sanctions against the Europeans for putting them in that position to begin with.

I imagine they are and would not do something like that unless they felt they needed to. IN any case, Israel won't be put in a box no matter how some of the anti Israel types like to chortle and crank themselves while imagining it.

Your quote:

" That is wrong on two levels, the first being there premise there are more "left wing groups and governments" than in the 50/60/s a"

Name the NGOs of the fifties and sixties please and show us how they were left wing..

Seems you must have Alzheimers as the actions of the PLO drew the desired retaliation from Israel (see Operation Litani) and put the nation in the black book of the international hand wringers. That was the start of the anti Israel movement.

Sorry. I didn't know you were talking about an attack here and there between individuals as you spoke of 'enemies' so naturally I thought of actual and official declared war which as we all know was declared by the Arabs against Israel and not the other way around.

According to the Declaration of Independence it is the borders of what UN Res 181 stated Israel will be. In any case, staing they would build a nation in Eretz Israel is hardly ignoring anything.

 

It was founded by Immigrants in the 19th century on wild land, they created it from nothing, there were no native Arabs on the land they built, the only country there was was the Ottoman empire that occupied the area and they gave their consent, those immigrant children were natives and that went on for 130 years~,

where is it termed "exclusively jewish " community ?

 

I wasnt talking on the last European decison - which I said was a good thing, I was talking about Moon approach, the hint for it can be found in this sentence :

 

Empty land, you say ? And the immigrants got permission to use it from some other occupying entity ?

What's its arab population ?

 

Empty, Arab occupying entity, after the war there wernt many Arabs left in the big cities but before it they lived together dont know the numbers thou,

Now you can be abit honorable and answer my question, where is it termed "exclusively jewish " community ?

 

YOU be honest. What's the arab population of your own city ?

 

I said I dont know, nothing noticable because of the war the Arabs fled not because Rishon was built of the purity of the Jewish race, they did live together not just in Roshon but in every city and town all across the land, the records show in the UN reports.

Now YOU be honest ? where is it termed "exclusively jewish " community ?

 

You're describing it as such yourself. It appears to be ethnically cleansed.

 

Your accusantions on ethnic cleansings are another matter with diffrent facts and background, your initial claim was the Rishon was termed as "exclusively jewish " community, it was'nt when it was created and no where does anyone prevent a Muslim or a Christian to buy a house in Rishon, but its stupid to disregard the history of Jews and Arabs in this land, both Arabs and Jews prefer to stay with their own ppl from choice not because someone tells them they cany live someplace - as long as they are cotozens ofc.
Jews and Arabs lived together for 50 years until the war, houndreds of thousands fled and houndreds of thousands stayed and accepted their Israeli citizenship. the objective of the war was to eliminate the threat of the Arab raiders and the way to do it was to drive those hostile vlllagers away, It was an Arab decision to oppose the Jews so I see that very justified, but if that was the plan all along they wouldnt have lived with them in the first place.

 

The brutal ethnic cleansing doctrine of Zionism didn't appear in Palestine. It wasn't the spawn of jews and arabs living together in relative harmony. It was conceived in Central and Eastern Europe before it became a vehicle for blood-letting extremists in Palestine.

 

Idiotic hateful propaganda nonsense, My Grandpa came here in 1936 to live with his uncle, he wasnt part of any idiotic conspirecy.

 

You appear to have misunderstood my post. No matter, the conversation wasn't going anywhere new.

 

You mean in a shooting war Syria had the gall to attack Israel with Golan based artillery? wow what arses.
I am well aware of the artillery sniping in the green zone in attempts to stop Israel's breaking of the armistice agreement by attempting to farm in the green zone. immediately beneath the heights. According to Dyan, it was serial provocation on Israel's part.

Missed the point entirely.
No matter.

Now you are seriously entering arrogant fantasy land. If the US stopped (temporarily or permanenlty) its military aid and cancelled its joint development programs ( funds on top of the $3billion) because Israel began upgrading Russian and Chinese military equipment, Israel would be in enormous economic and strategic trouble, without a shot being fired. AND Israel would have to raise their prices.

the US wouldn't have to raise their prices at all. To the DoD, they could lose the entire annual Israeli military budget to fraudulent coffee truck vendors and it could be years before anyone realizes it.

Hubris and Arrogance do not replace the harsh realities of Israel's precarious geo-political-economic position. I support Israel to an extent, but its lethally dangerous for them to start believeing their own publicity.

Israel might not want to be put in a box, but you might be surprise to learn that there are much much more powerful players in the game that could potentially stuff them in one. I do agree that rabid anti-zionists and jew haters have wet dreams of the box being a coffin, a scenerio that would put a whole lot of other people in it with the Israelis.

Yes, more human rights organizations of which many are "liberal" driven.

Got news for ya, Human Rights organizations are a subset of NGOs, not even the largest subset. IIRC the largest NGO on the planet is assocation of Red Cross/Red Crescent & Mogen David Adom Societies.

I guess you missed the costal road massacre that preceded the invasion being universally condemned. I guess you also missed the fact that the lebanese civil war had been raging for a few years and Israels marrionite allies were not having the best of it.

But, I it would appear as tho I suffer from alzheimers since I completely forgot about the world reaction to the Sabra and Shantilla massacres. That was most definitely when the tide began to turn, despite the fact that Israel didn't fire a shot.

No, I was referring to "official" war. You are aware that a state of war does not require a declaration are you not?
Regardless, I believe the confusion came about because I was speaking generally throught the history of the conflict and you were talking about 1948.
However even restricting the discussion to 1948, surely you are aware that there was a civil war already raging between the jews and the arabs? The declaration of independence served to bring other arab nations into the conflict.
For some reason many believe that everything was moving along peachy keen until the jews declared independence and the nasty arabs attacked - I believe that is what is called revisionist history.

No, according to the Declaration of Independence Israel declared it would be prepared to co-operate with the UN vis a vis REs 181. Semantically and diplomatically that means something entirely different that agreeing to.

And if you picked up a history book you'd know exactly why it is worded like that.

 

Seeing as how civilians were permitted to farm in the areas according to the Armistice agreement I doubt the villages that were HEAVILY BOMBARDED were deserving of such action from Syria.

Seems you did. You were stating how sanctions don't work and then used Iran as a rather poor example as Iran, as a theocratic dictatorship has total control over it's people in order to keep the offending government in power whereas Israel, as a democratic democracy does not.

First off, the US cannot afford to put Israel into a position where she swings to the Russian and Chinese sphere as that would provide what both nations don't have which is secure supporting facilities for their navies. Two of the things that stops China from being a super power is global reach for it's navy and global political influence. Having a secure port in the ME such as Haifa would enable this in part and, require the US to increase their presence there to counter it costing somewhere near the Trillion dollar mark as an additional fleet would be required.

Second, with the hypothetical US dropping of support Israel would be more than happy to take on Russia and China as well as Saudi Arabia as it's new friends and work on their weapons systems. Since most of the world uses these systems the market would actually be increased and would amount to a challenge to the US lead in the market.

Until one by one the nine Chinese aircraft carrier groups begin patrolling the Med then you will see the coffee vendors being dropped PDQ for ship building jobs.

Players such as who?

Agreed!

Let's see;

They are ......Antisemitic;

And when did they take sides to plant trees In honor of Palestinian Terrorists?

Anyhow, peace movements since the sixties have been left wing organizations. Pick one and drop it in google with the key word 'labor' or 'socialist' and watch the lefties drop down on you like rain.

I thnk the anti Israel ship left the dock long prior to that Jonsa;

A civil war no but a war between two nations does either by action or declaration. The declaration of war by the Arab League brought the conflict from a civil war to an international one.

Yes, it is allllll the fault of Israel. And just by putting the spirit of 181 on paper. Imagine.

Israel didn't attack Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and Yemen rather the reverse.

Uh huh. According to the Declaration of Independence it is the borders of what UN Res 181 stated Israel will be. In any case, stating they would build a nation in Eretz Israel is hardly ignoring anything and, shows how "UN181 was equally ignored by the Israelis."

 

and I suppose the north american indigenous are required to show a title, that the america's were occupied?

wow..... some people are letting their frustration go to their head

since you put it that way

 

So he was there when irgum bombed the kind david hotel?

Explain what Irgum is so people can identify what a bonafide terrorist group is.

 

Gaza is a result of ethnic cleansing; refugees (women and children of the murdered) of the genocide

Arabs dont 'oppose the jews'. Rather they hate the oppression of human beings based on bigotry

 

there were no heavy bombardments.
I guess you need to read a bit more about what went on in the DMZ's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Syria_Mixed_Armistice_Commission
http://www.plands.org/articles/006.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Six-Day_War#Israel_and_Syria

I am fully aware of the different polities of iran and israel. that was not the point.

This is not a board game. Russia already has the necessary naval access in the Med. China does not and Israel wouldn't provide for such for all the proverbial tea.

No additional US fleet would be required. The current footprint of the USN DWARFS every other countries navy including Russias. You might want to review what a US carrier task force power projection profile looks like, before making such daft comments.

You are sadly sadly misinformed. YOu might want to a) review the budget of the US defence department , b) compare arms exports of Russia and China to the US exports - hint US exports more arms in total than the entire Russian military budget c) examine where all the saudi weapons systems come from.

You would appear to have a lot to learn but I know your heart is in the right place. Stick with me kid and you will learn something so you won't look foolish when you take on the jew haters masquerading as anti-zionists (whatever they mean by that).

Nine Chinese carrier groups? Oh dear. I think the coffee vendors are going to be safe for at least another decade or two.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/world/asia/china-shows-off-an-aircraft-carrier-but-experts-are-skeptical.html

http://www.globalfirepower.com/navy-aircraft-carriers.asp

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=China

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=United-States-of-America

You should compare the last two links.

You think if the russians or the chinese signed a mutual defence pact with Egypt things would get a bit dicey? or one with who every ends up in control of syria? How about Iraq?

Geo-political alliances have a way of stirring up all kinds of crap.

what a stupid stupid accusation. Another knee jerk "anti-semite" accusation when at MOST it could be construed as an anti-occupation statement.

So first I point out to you that there are all kinds of NGOs the bulk of which are agnostic and its "peace movement" NGOs that are leftist. In answer to your anecdotal assessment, in my anecdotal assessment I can think of lots of "peace" NGOs that are religiously based.

Seems you confuse the ever present % of states and organizations with "anti-semitic" feelings with overall global opinions. I maintain that in the early years it was only usual suspects who dumped on Israel, but by the early 80's the tide began to turn.
You have your opinion, I have mine. I get the feeling you are substantially younger than I am and therefore couldn't possibly have any real sense of what world opinion was back in the day.

No, the civil war was raging but support was coming from the arab league during that time. Its not like the jews were so dumb as to not know exactly what would happen the instant the mandate was officially terminate regardless of whether they they issued their declarationof independence or not.

It is a fairy tale to think that the Jewish Authority didn't have a clear understanding that the moment the mandate ended they were at war with the arab league. To suggest that somehow the civil war would have ended with the declaration of independence and the jews were preparing to live in peace is simply ridiculous.

The sole reason that the arab league did not openly attack before May 15 was because of the british presence since none of them wanted to dick with the "empire" regardless of its bankruptcy.

don't be churlish. Not for a moment have I ever suggested that is was all Israel's fault. And I see you've bought into the "official" Israeli story which is a tad different than the actual story. The spirit of 181 indeed. The use of the term "cooperate" with 181. The absolute knowledge that it was nothing more than diplomatic posturing at that point. The sentiments of establishing the state were absolutely sincere, the notion that it embodies the spirit of 181 is nonsense since the fighting had been going on for two years already and it was known at the time that war was going to start on may 15.

of course not, but that is irrelevant to the point I was making.

You really need to read more history. Are you aware of the deliberations of the jewish authority and the arguments back and forth about declaring borders in the declaration? A substantial chunk of them are published in english, and there whole bunch of books written specifically about it. Okay I agree its not equal ignoring, let's say 55%(arab), 45%(israel) - ignoring.