EU imposes sanctions on Russia over Crimea for undermining the sovereignty of Ukrain

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  1. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    America hasn't minded it's own business since President McKinley got us into the Spanish-American War in 1898. We have been an imperialistic country since. Sometimes for the good, and sometimes not.
     
  2. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    G is soft super power
    R is a prophet of hard power , it will never work

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  3. Potap

    Potap Well-Known Member

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    Wonderful post, in your new style mr. Litwin. I was waiting something of this kind. So what about my question? I remember the talented troll, but now I see the teenager which posts stupid pictures. What has happened with you?
     
  4. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    you know , members of russiaStrong1111 team are the worst tolls out there. in real life many of you are normal people here, most of you "brutal" vatniks. question is why you can organize yourself here but can not to do it in Moscow or Stavropol ?´cos for new all vatniks posts look like jZrlvH2oYmM.jpg to me

    ps can we talk about the subject? with out the childish bites?


     
  5. Potap

    Potap Well-Known Member

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    I think, no need to explain obvious things. Especially because so-called new government in Kiev uses nazi rhetoric. You just see the hysterics of Lithuanian nationalist now, because Putin has offended his Ukrainian adherents. Let's be indulgent.
     
  6. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    Vatanik propaganda, NGOs have rejected new Goebbels - Kiselev´s thesis statement many times

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    Lithuanian ? open your eyes , the whole world are against your occupation
     
  7. Potap

    Potap Well-Known Member

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    It's interestingly, what for, did you post this vast crap? And what has to do it with the results of Crimean referendum and sanctions against Russia? I just wander.
     
  8. Potap

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    I am glad to see you have learned a new Russian word - vatnik. Obviously you even have grown fond of this word. But you probable do not see, unlike you, I do not post stupid pictures and do not do propaganda here. And please do not confuse the West and all world. Other part of the world is just silent and waiting - that will happen farther. Though I understand you are frightened because your nationalism is not better than Ukrainian one . But I can calm you. We do not need your Lithuania.
     
  9. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    you don't do propaganda here? whats about nazi-nato-bandera-jews- polnad- Baltic, etc. BS ?
    question: do you really think that the world will accept Crimea anschluss?
     
  10. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    any referendum in occupied parts of an independent country are illegal . you´d know it. your criminal collaborationists (Goblin & C) got only 4 % in the last elections
     
  11. Potap

    Potap Well-Known Member

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    Do not worry. Nobody has illusions on this account. You do not recognize Crimea, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. We do not recognize Kosovo. All is normal. This is life. Get used, West is not the center of the universe.

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    Violent overthrow of a lawfully elected president is a crime. However West has recognized the junta as legitimate authority. While West does not want to recognize the referendum organized by the lawfully elected authorities in the Crimean autonomy. No wonder, laws are rubber for USA and their vassals. So do not be surprised to see someone does not care of your opinion. You can recognize this referendum, you can do not recognize it. But the fact is the fact - 96,77 % Crimeans do not want to be a part of Ukraine. This is the fact which you can't deny.
     
  12. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    Kosovo is a subject of international law, 95 % of all European countries recognized it . your creations are criminal , poor $hittholes and no one ´d ever recognize them. all they are doomed by your imperial ambitious

    i just have a question , do you think that Crimea anschluss is strategically smart move?

    ps i hope that you know that i see Kosovo´s "war" as a war crime of Clinton administration
     
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    I do believe what happened in Kiev was an old fashioned putsch.
    What happened in Crimea was not an "anschluss" because the people of Austria were denied their opportunity to vote.
    Crimeans voted.
    Not a perfect vote. Okay, neither was Gore vs Bush or NIXON vs JFK. The Austrians had no vote.

    Putsch - Yes, that is what is going on in Kiev and the West has no sense of shame, not to recognize the truth but,
    Profitable for the West's multi national corporations, screw "we the people" there and here.

    Anschluss - No, a really untrue analogy used for propaganda.



    Moi :oldman:
    Texas is to :flagus:
    as
    Ukraine is to Russia.




    No :flagcanada:
     
  14. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    crap my friend is quality of Putin propaganda, point is that you, instead of occupy foreign countries should fix own problems, make life of your ordinary people better and safer ,
     
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    lies and propaganda, buy a book, Austrians voted for "anschluss". EU, USA, UN etc. dont see power change in Kiev as a "putsch". just the corrupted , criminal, lazy, and bad president - Ynunk was fired . new question: you or the whole world wrong?
     
  16. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Litwin
    I am a history buff and a biologist by nature.
    My education sez Austria was scheduled for a vote to unite with Nazi Germany but, the anschluss took place before the vote could occur. Herr Hitler was concerned about losing.
    If you would "link" me to any reference that says otherwise - it would be appreciated.
    The lack of an Austrian vote is how they teach it in the West, and we have a Hitler Channel on cable too
    <joke about the Military Channel now the American Heroes Channel>


    Moi :oldman:
    Ukraine is Russia
    as
    California is :flagus:
    And Ukraine has been part of Russia longer and with less cultural disparity. :rant: :rant:




    No :flagcanada:
    Remember: Louis Riel !
    And the :flagcanada: Anschluss on the property mixed blood peoples :steamed:
     
  17. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    dont know why i do it ...
     
  18. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not to worry. You did not do anything. I think.
    An election after the fact is not the same as what happened in Crimea, is it?
    Therefore, No anchluss took place Crimea as it did Austria and the analogy is not valid, nor the use of the word, anschulss.

    A putsch did take place in Kiev. An illegal group of rebels occupied government building and did a de facto take over, to the immediate support of "The West".
    The Ukrainian government in power wimped out by not declaring martial law and a curfew.
    What happened in Kiev was a putsch and there was nothing democratic about it.


    You have reminded me of a statement by the great W.C. Fields.
    "When I use a word, it means what I want it to mean.
    It is a matter of whether the word controls the man or the man controls the word".
    :blankstare:



    Moi :oldman:




    No :flagcanada:
     
  19. bobov

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    Moi, my friend, we've been over this before, but there's simply nothing showing Ukraine is part of Russia, and ample evidence that it's not. You can easily read the history on-line. Ukraine has been politically dominated by Russia since Khmelnytsky had to sign the Treaty of Pereyaslav in 1654 to get Russian help for his rebellion against Poland. Domination doesn't mean Ukraine lacks a national identity. I can write at length about this, but you seem committed to Russian aggression against all reason. Why?
     
  20. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1654 vs 1845
    Ukrainian assimilation by Russia vs Texas/California/the SouthWest assimilation by :flagus:
    And the cultural differences were greater in the 1845 assimilation than the 1654 one between Slavic peoples.
    What part don't you get? That a national identity didn't exist in the Spanish speaking lands?
    Or that a national identity doesn't exist in Texas or California, unique from each other and Washington, D.C.

    Bobov :nana: you are wrong again. :deadhorse: :deadhorse:

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    MEANWHILE:
    Look at the new Progressive ! No not liberal, Progressive.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/03/20/putin-russian-billionaires-crimea-sanctions/6645141/
    Putin to Russian billionaires: Pay up

    Russian billionaires have a new order from Russian President Vladimir Putin: Pay your taxes.

    With a wave of Western sanctions over the annexation of Crimea about to hit, Putin has called on billionaires to pay taxes at home.

    The Russian president met Thursday in Moscow with some of Russia's richest men. Putin said business "ought to register on Russian territory and pay taxes in our motherland."



    Now isn't that Progressive ?


    Moi :oldman:
    Do you believe Putin is exercising Russian, Manifest Destiny :roflol:




    No :flagcanada:
     
  21. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    that's way i am against the medical marihuana

    "The Nazis held a plebiscite(Referendum) within the following month, asking the people to ratify the fait accompli(&#8220;an accomplished fact). They(German Nazis) claimed to have received 99.7561% of the vote in favor.[5][6] "
    so where is a deference in those 2 "Referendums" under occupation ?
     
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    Texas and California were settled by Americans. That's why they wound up as part of the US. Those settlers might have wanted to run their own show - more money and power that way - but they needed the US to help them break with Mexico. Neither the US nor the Americans who moved to Texas and California had a right to take these lands from Mexico. It was an unjustifiable land grab. America's sins don't excuse Russia's.
     
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    And after all of this, you dare say you do not do propaganda here. Kosovo was torn away from Serbia by military means. There was made ethnic cleansing from Serbs under NATO's occupation. After that Albanians declared independence. And of all this is a subject of international law. Very funny! 95 % of all European countries recognized it because they're vassals of the Empire of kind and have no other choice. This does not mean they have some benefit from the existence of the Albanian enclave in the heart of Europe . By the way the half the world still do not recognize Kosovo. While Crimea left Ukraine without any shots . People just came and voted . We understand West will not recognize Crimea as Russian until it will become profitable for him. We do not recognize Kosovo. We do not recognize Taiwan as an independent state. We do not recognize the Falkland Islands as part of Britain. So what? Everywhere, in South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Crimea Russia acted in accordance to the Kosovo precedent. NATO has created it. So no hard feelings. Why do you think your propaganda crap is better than Putin's propaganda crap? I do not see the logic.
     
  24. litwin

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    1) as is said before Kosovo was a an American war crime ,
    2) USA has annexed Kosovo
    3) USA/West did it way much more professional, UN -EU back up, etc. (but again it was a crime)
     
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    You are right. But there is one essential difference. As you correctly have noticed: " Kosovo was a an American war crime". While Russia has not made even a single shot in Crimea. Crimea has left Ukraine by the means of peaceful desire of it's inhabitants. So Kosovo has created precedent. If not Kosovo, there would not be - Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Crimea. What can I tell on this account? Thanks a lot to American foreign policy for Russian Crimea.
     

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