EU To Be Federalised In The Long Run, Merkel Says

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  1. janpor

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    EU to be federalised in the long run, Merkel says

    BY VALENTINA POP

    Wonder if Germany will push through her outstanding vision. France also needs to realize it will have to give in as far as farming subsidies go...

    [video=youtube;c_PqZrwALcA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_PqZrwALcA&feature=plcp[/video]
     
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    Not really news, I have known that was the plan for a very long time.
     
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    If you want these dumb criminal lunatics running your life then you deserve whats coming.

    Personally, i'll fight it any way i can when theres still democracy. Once brussels takes over you can be (*)(*)(*)(*) sure that there wont be anything remotely democratic about the fake elections they allow us to have. It'll be like the US where they have 2 candidates that agree on everything important and then we can argue about gay marriage.
     
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    that (*)(*)(*)(*) will make her lose upcoming elections
     
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    She's probably right, though. Except for the UK having anything to do with it.
     
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    "I come from Germany, the UK was with us when we were liberated when we were liberated from national socialism." - Angela Merkel, taken from the speech.

    I don't think modern day Germans should have to apologise for what their forefathers did, bu this re-writing of history is abhorrent. :roll:
     
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    I think I have lost respect for Merkel now.

    I actually support the farm subsidies in France and Japan. Farming is a traditional way of life, and brings with it many extraneous benefits (open space, aesthetic looking landscapes, tourism for example).
    I am also a believer in self-sufficiency to some extent. I realise that certain extreme free-marketers want to get rid of all subsidies and trade barriers, but there is a whole load of other fat waiting to be trimmed first. You can't have the type of labour regulations we have and have unrestricted trade at the same time. Our workers would just be unable to compete. And no, there are not just better jobs waiting for them in some other sector, like some free-marketers claim.

    Besides, I don't think it is likely that Hollande is going to be cutting any subsidies connected to workers livelihoods.
     
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    http://www.londonpatriot.org/2010/05/28/why-the-european-union-will-fail/
     
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    I have a fundamental disagreement with this assertion (but by no means you, pimptight). Any european country will be affected to some extent by economic developments in neighbouring countries, especially when there is any significant ammount of trade, or a guest workforce sending home remittances. Countries that share a common currency are generally not affected unless the entity issuing the currency is pursuing a monetary policy. And I think it is very important that the economists and politicians take a deep long look at this sort of policies and ask themselves whether intentional manipulation of interest rates and money supply is a good thing, because I do not think that it is. And there is also going to be conflict when you have national banks backing the common currency with their own government debt.

    Ban countries from using their national debt as reserve assets to back their issuance of currency, and the debt problems like we are seeing now will not be possible. When my government is collecting taxes in the form of euros, and the Greeks are using their worthless debt to make more euros, we have a problem.

    We need to recognise the failure, and instead of trying to prop up something that is not sustainable, we need to recognise that the rules for issuing euros we had in place did not work, and the rules need to be adjusted so this type of thing cannot happen again. The risk takers need to take the loss, not push the burden off onto the taxpayers. I think many people are ignoring the issue of how bailouts are going to effect the level of income equality. It is bad enough taxing the productive to give to the unproductive, but it is even worse to tax the productive working class to give to the wealthy investors and banks. These idiots think they can just spend money to solve problems, giving no thought to where this money has to come from.
     
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    Just ran into this again, forgetting I am on a new site, and have not spread this idea properly. To understand where we are, we have to break free of the lie that what we are facing, hasn't been put into place over decades.

    [video=youtube;nsMUA2FGcuc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsMUA2FGcuc&feature=player_embedded[/video]


    This is systemic corruption of both American and European banking, trade, and tax policy.
     
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    I did not really like that video for some reason, it is just a guy screaming and ranting. But yes, I agree basically with what you are saying, both the 2 main parties in the USA ignore the real issues, and one is left to wonder whether they are not dissimilar, and both statist at the core. Neither seem to be particularly concerned with wage levels. But let us switch this discussion back to the EU now...
     
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    But that is the discussion about the EU.

    How can you look at your banking and trade policy, and think you are any different then the US?

    I mean I get that you fund your elections differently, but what are your laws about lobbying?

    I mean hell the only reason anyone ever thought that one currency could work, is for the same reason that we de-regulated our financial industry. This is Sandy Weill, Alan Greenspan, and Larry Summers who built the construct that allowed for the argument to be made that you could have only one currency in a multi-nation trade alliance.
     
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    I did not really like that video for some reason, it is just a guy screaming and ranting. But yes, I agree basically with what you are saying, both the 2 main parties in the USA ignore the real issues, and one is left to wonder whether they are not dissimilar, and both statist at the core. Neither seem to be particularly concerned with wage levels. But let us switch this discussion back to the EU now...
     
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    Reviews that whine at the EU inspired by conspiracy theories with URLs that contain words like London patriot are all over the European servers, not to mention this is an ancient article for its kind. If I can contribute to this forum with British sources that praise the EU, so should you contribute with American, Chinese, Japanese, Norwegian or Swiss sources that condemn the EU. That is the contribution to be appreciated.
     
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    The rest of Europe are terrified by the 'Nazi' overlord taking Europe on economic ground instead of war.
    Germany runs pretty well unlike most of Southern Europe.
    They take a few hard to swallow pills today and in 10 years time start to reap the benefits.
    Rather than take the easily road now and walk into irreversible ruin in 5 years.
     

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